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  coi

  by JunkYardDog in

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  the-illuminator81

  I hate the organisation

  I pity the believers
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  Pregnant Jehovah Witness in bikini protest

  by sizemik in

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  i know this is a bit old .

  but wtf?

  how nuts is this?.

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  In every kingdom hall, there is a crazy one present, a brother or sister so insane even the elders daren't approach..
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  1874, 1914 and 1943

  by TD in

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  a persistent meme that floats around on jw related internet forums holds that christ's second coming was moved forward 40 years (i.e.

  from 1874 to 1914) in the year 1943.

  (this appears to be based primarily on a statment in the book god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached on page 209 and to a lesser degree, a footnote at the bottom of page 133 of the publication jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom.).

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  Let's say that I made a reservation at a restaurant. Before my parousia or presence at the restaurant begins, I first have to go to the restaurant. So before I can be present, there must be a coming. If Jesus was present in 1874, his coming must have happened before, not after.

  Unless of course Jesus was very smelly, and his stench was 'present' at the restaurant 40 years before he arrived. But that would be unbiblical, since there is no talk of a stench strong enough to transcend the barriers of time.

  The watchtowers you quote only show that even in 1914, the society was not capable of admitting error, and they tried to screw around with logic and the meaning of words to twist their old, false statements into being true.

  In 1914, they were waiting for his physical presence so he could start Armageddon, just like they are still waiting today in 2011.

  Makes me think of the generation change in 1995. When reality catches up with them, they suddenly have 'new light'.
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  JW's week after week trying to convert me

  by HBJ in

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  this is my first post.

  i have been a protestant christian my entire life, but over the past few months ive been conversing with two jehovahs witnesses on a weekly basis.

  as they quickly learned that i was biblically versed, they replaced what i would call a trainee, with someone i believe to be an elder.

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  Don't get sucked in! Don't let them tickle your ears! You are on the threshold of joining a dangerous mind control cult!

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/fear-cult-mind-control.php
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  Caught Crying

  by discreetslave in

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  i was reading some ex-jw experiences and i started crying.

  a flood of emotions came over me, anger, guilt, sorrow, grief, and fear.. anger over being deceived and betrayed.anger over the stupidity regarding child abuse.

  i was abused before being a jw and this is an issue i feel strongly about.. guilt for bringing others into jw matrix.

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  After you've been in for many years or even most of your life, spending a few months or maybe even a year or two talking to other ex-members is not 'dwelling' in my opinion. Even though you are crying, it's therepeutical to confront your buried emotions and learning that you are not alone. But definitely the goal should be to eventually stop visiting these sites, and you should be able to say that being a JW is a thing of the past and you no longer look back and enjoy your life freely as if you never were one in the first place.
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  Oh the weirdness: Observations from a study

  by howdidtihappen in

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  i started studying jw with a work friend because she used to keep me at arms length and i knew it was because of her religion.

  she and her family are such lovely people so i thought maybe there was something to it, how bad can it be, etc.

  i was enticed by this girls friendship as she has been spending more time with me but continues to say "you're not one of us yet" which continually freaks me out.

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  howdidithappen: Ask if her worldly part-time coworkers were also blessed by Jehovah.

  Here are some interesting quotes, from their own literature. Read them and you will be amazed.

  You can't be friends with non-JWs:

  "We must also be on guard against extended association with worldly people. Perhaps it is a neighbor, a school friend, a workmate, or a business associate. We may reason, 'He respects the Witnesses, he leads a clean life, and we do talk about the truth occasionally.' Yet, the experience of others proves that in time we may even find ourselves preferring such worldly company to that of a spiritual brother or sister. What are some of the dangers of such a friendship?" Watchtower 1994 Feb 15 p.24 "While some contact with worldly people is unavoidable - at work, at school, and otherwise-we must be vigilant so as to keep from being sucked back into the death-dealing atmosphere of this world?. Let the world go along in its way, reaping its bad fruitage in the form of broken homes, illegitimate births, sexually transmitted diseases, such as AIDS, and countless other emotional and physical woes." Watchtower 1987 September 15 pp.12-14

  You can't disobey or question the organization, only total obedience is accepted:

  "The point is that Christians have implicit trust in their heavenly Father; they do not question what he tells them through his written Word and organization." Watchtower 1974 July 15 p.441

  If you know someone else sinned, and he doesn't confess, you have to tell the elders yourself or bring doom over the entire congregation:

  "If he does not do this within a reasonable period of time, concern for the cleanness of the congregation should move you to report the matter to the elders" Watchtower 1989 Oct 15 pp.14-15 "A person who becomes a witness to a serious sin should encourage the wrongdoer to report the matter to the elders. He may encourage the wrongdoer to seek help from the elders and confess; and if the wrongdoer does not do so, the witness will then inform the elders." Pay Attention to Yourselves and all the Flock p.118

  You must do this even if you are a lawyer or a counselor:

  "Employers have a right to expect that their Christian employees will 'exhibit good fidelity to the full,' including observing rules on confidentiality?. There may be occasions when a faithful servant of God is motivated by his personal convictions, based on his knowledge of God's Word, to strain or even breach the requirements of confidentiality because of the superior demands of divine law. Courage and discretion would be needed. The objective would not be to spy on another's freedom but to help erring ones and to keep the Christian congregation clean." Watchtower 1987 Sep 1 p.15

  You are not allowed to have your own opinion:

  "First, since "oneness" is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding." Watchtower 2001 Aug 1 p.14 "Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions." Watchtower 1986 March 15 p.17

  If you don't go door to door, you are one of Satan's minions and Jehovah will murder you at Armageddon.

  "If we stop actively supporting Jehovah’s work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground."Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18 "Still, if anyone hopes to be concealed in "the day of Jehovah's anger," he will need help to do more than be a regular reader of our publications." Kingdom Ministry March 2005 p.1

  There is no happiness outside the organization:

  "The world is filled with unhappiness, and people generally have a gloomy outlook on the future. However, we have a bright outlook, knowing that one day all sadness will be a thing of the past." Kingdom Ministry Feb 2002 p.1

  If you do not become one of Jehovah's Witnesses, Jehovah will murder you at Armageddon (AKA, Jesus with a gun):

  "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

  If you ever leave the congregation, you are to be hated. I was told by my own wife after she attended this years district convention that I was her enemy. Also, if you leave, Jehovah will murder you at Armageddon.

  "Disfellowshipping serves as a powerful warning example to those in the congregation, since they will be able to see the disastrous consequences of ignoring Jehovah's laws?. [Do] not converse with such one or show him recognition in any way ... Walk away from him. In this way he will feel the full import of his sin." Watchtower 1963 July 1 p.411,413 "We must hate [the disfellowshipped person] in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider [them] as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." Watchtower 1952 October 1 p.599 "Yes, they were driven by envy. The same harmful emotion has turned apostates into vicious haters of their former brothers. (1 Timothy 6:3-5) No wonder that envious men are debarred from entry into God's Kingdom! Jehovah God has decreed that all who continue to be "full of envy" are "deserving of death." Watchtower 1995 September 15 p.7

  Only Jehovah's Witnesses serve God, other religions do not:

  "Who in our time demonstrate such obedience to God?s commandments on love? ... only Jehovah?s Witnesses." Watchtower 1989 May 1 p.28 If you are one of those rare persons that wants to serve the Creator today, that wants to give him exclusive devotion, that wants to do work that is pleasing in his eyes, that wants to receive his approval and his gift of life, then let Jehovah, by means of his spirit, cultivate in you the good condition of heart that is a mark of his people."Watchtower 1966 June 1 p.341

  You are not allowed to think for yourself:

  "We also remember that one feature of 'the wisdom from above' is being 'ready to obey.'? Due to background and upbringing, some may be more given to independent thinking and self-will than others. Perhaps this is an area where we need to discipline ourselves and 'make our mind over' so that we can perceive more clearly what the 'will of God' is." Watchtower 1987 February 1 p.19 "Avoid? questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization?. some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?" Watchtower 1983 January 15 p.22 "The point is that Christians have implicit trust in their heavenly Father; they do not question what he tells them through his written Word and organization." Watchtower 1974 July 15 p.441

  You are not allowed to read anything critical of the organization, and you may not visit this website. Read these quotes and tell me, who is bitter, the organization or the apostates?

  "In Jehovah's organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing?"Watchtower 1967 Jun 1 p.338 "False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used "the faithful and discreet slave" to convey to us "sayings of everlasting life," why should we ever want to look anywhere else?"Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20 "As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we want to peek at the propaganda put out by rejecters of Jehovah's table..." Watchtower 1994 Jul 1 pp.12-13 "It would be a mistake to think that you need to listen to apostates or to read their writings to refute their arguments. Their twisted, poisonous reasoning can cause spiritual harm and can contaminate your faith like rapidly spreading gangrene." Watchtower 2004 Feb 15 p.28 Apostates “quietly” bring their ideas into the congregation, like criminals who secretly bring things into a country. ... The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers. We must always be determined to follow his warning. ... We do not speak to them or invite them into our houses. We also do not read their books, watch them on television, read what they write on the Internet, or add our own comments about what they write on the Internet.Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.11 "Thus, the one who doubts to the point of becoming an apostate sets himself up as a judge. He thinks he knows better than his fellow Christians, better also than the 'faithful and discreet slave,' through whom he has learned the best part, if not all that he knows about Jehovah God and his purposes." Watchtower 1980 August 1 p.19

  Teenagers are told that going to college is wasteful and useless:

  "What though of higher education received in a college or university? This is widely viewed as vital to success, yet, many who pursue such education end up with their minds filled with harmful propaganda. Such education wastes valuable youthful years that could best be used in Jehovah's service. Perhaps it is not surprising that in lands where many have received such an education, belief in god is at an all time low. Rather than looking to the advanced educational systems of this world for security, a Christian trusts in Jehovah." Watchtower 2008 Apr 15 p.4

  I found these quotes on jwfacts.
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  Funny Coincidences

  by the-illuminator81 in

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  so three days ago i had a dream about a female classmate, who i haven't seen for about 10 years and haven't thought about either.

  i can't even remember her surname and i was never really interested in her either.

  it was very weird, i dreamt that she was wearing a bathing suit and she asked me how it looked on her.

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  The matrix huh? You know I used to watch Star Trek a lot (TNG) and there have been occasions where I've said "Computer, Arch" out loud.
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  Paris Hilton Converts to Islam

  by Bangalore in

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  paris hilton converts to islam.. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/entertainment/2636-paris-hilton-converts-to-islam.html.

  bangalore.

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  Very reputable source I must say.
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  Funny Coincidences

  by the-illuminator81 in

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  so three days ago i had a dream about a female classmate, who i haven't seen for about 10 years and haven't thought about either.

  i can't even remember her surname and i was never really interested in her either.

  it was very weird, i dreamt that she was wearing a bathing suit and she asked me how it looked on her.

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  @Honesty: Well the owner had a certificate stating that the robe was 100% certainly demon-possessed, signed by Abramelin the Mage. Do you think that might have something to do with it?
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  Funny Coincidences

  by the-illuminator81 in

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  so three days ago i had a dream about a female classmate, who i haven't seen for about 10 years and haven't thought about either.

  i can't even remember her surname and i was never really interested in her either.

  it was very weird, i dreamt that she was wearing a bathing suit and she asked me how it looked on her.

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  @Honesty: Yes how do you know? I bought a wizard's robe to sleep in..