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  how have YOU changed since leaving?

  by idaho in

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  it's obvious that the sense of freedom is a dominant.

  feeling among most persons here, but it would be .

  interesting to hear in what way(s) you feel you .

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  1. I'm no longer judgmental of people who don't necessarily follow the same path that I do --- JWs are among the mose judgmental people I know.

  2. I make use of the freedom to decide whether or not to try something new based on my own thinking, rather than a group of men's thinking in Brooklyn.

  3. I have an eclectic group of friends that I couldn't have as a JW.

  4. I no longer fear "the world".

  5. I can and do take part in local and national elections.

  6. I can enjoy celebrating "heathen" Holidays such as Halloween and New Year's Eve.

  7. While I still don't "plug into" Christmas, I enjoy attending Christmas parties and have a blast.

  8. I don't feel the burden of having to be "a theatrical spectacle to the world", constantly evalutating what I say or do before acting out of fear that it would badly represent The Organization.

  9. I can enjoy my sexuality without feeling condemned for it and simultaneously hating myself for it.

  10. Perhaps, most importantly, is the universal feedback that everyone [except the JWs, of course] gave me who new me before and after being a JW: That I was a much more enjoyable person to be around, much happier, and just a better person all-around.
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  JW's - Cover story on Time magazine!!!!

  by battman in

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  anyone up for competitive sports??

  this weeks, sept 3,.

  2001 time magazine sports the williams sisters on the.

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  JWinSF

  It's like "Animal Farm" by George Orwell who also wrote "1984". And, there are a lot of similarities between the characters in those books, the control mechanisms, and the JWs. In fact, there is a book called "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses".

  My favorite line which applies to the JWs is: "The 7 Commandments are abridged for the last time, simply reading, 'All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.'"

  Yup, the Williams' sisters are more equal than others.
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  Ray Franz Books Left People With No Where To Go?

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  someone reported in another thread that ray franz has grown concerned that his books have not helped those who have read them because it left them with nowhere to go.

  i'm reminded of a phrase that i heard repeatedly during my 30 years as a watchtower toady.

  "if this isn't the truth, then there is no truth".

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  JWinSF

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  ... I must tell you that the freedom awaiting you when you make a final break from the organization will more than offset any personal relationships that you may lose.
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  AMEN!!!

  The relief from the burden of unnessary rules/regulations/fear/shame/and guilt tactics that the Society uses to keep its members "in line" is priceless.

  I decided that I would disassociate from the JWs for a personal reason
  and met with two elders advising them of such. They asked if I still believed it was "The Truth". To which I honestly replied [at the time] "yes". Between the time of my advising them of my intentions and my actual sending in a letter of disassociation [two months] I read both of Ray's books. It was then that "scales fell from my eyes". I realized that I not only would disassociate for my personal reason, but after having learned the truth about "The Truth", I would not want to remain part of it under any circumstances.

  Thanx for the posting.
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  exJW gathering in San Francisco

  by Introspection in

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  i posted this in announcements, but just in case some people don't read that forum: .

  please get the word out that the combined san francisco, marin, and san jose former jw support groups have reserved lindley meadows in golden gate park for their autumn celebration october 7th, 2001. lindley meadows is located on jfk drive in golden gate park (that's near 30th avenue north side of the park).

  the event will start at 12:30pm and last until dusk.

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  These are always a blast.

  Been doing them since 1994!
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  When and where baptized

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  i thought it might be interesting to see how many here remember where and when they were baptised into the borg.

  for some the memory may be too painful, but i'm curious.. me.

  it was 1966 in vancouver, bc.

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  January 9, 1971, at the Detroit Assembly Hall.

  Was really shy about my body. Getting undressed in front of the other men was especially difficult due to my feelings of inferiority and my very real fear that I'd get an erection if I saw someone that appealed to me [fortunately, none did appeal to me].

  I really thought that my life would be "oh so good" after baptism. That the promises that I could change my sexual orientation would come true. Now, I know that there never ever was the possibility that the orientation could be changed in my case, nor was there ever any need to do so.

  But, there were some nice times in the BOrg. However, the price I paid emotionally far outweighed what I gained intellectually. One thing I am glad about, being TM school overseer, I did acquire the skill of being able to talk before large groups of people without fear.
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  What song do you want played at your funeral?

  by ballistic in

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  what song do you want playing at your funeral?.

  i'll be having "going underground" by the jam.

  i was too far out... and not waving but drowning - stevie smith

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  "You'll Never Walk Alone", by Rodgers and Hammerstein, from the musical "Carousel"
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  San Francisco Anyone?

  by Tina in

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  pardon this off topic please.. i thought i could get some good input here.. i'm sending my son on a mini-break (vacation) for his birthday.. he's always wanted to see san francisco.

  (yes,im still a mother hen too :>) he has just a few days so what would you recommend as a 'must see'?

  what will really give the 'flavor' of sf?

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  Italian & Seafood resturant on Beach Street just east of the Holiday Inn Fisherman's Wharf north side of street. Don't remember the name. Green neon sign outside. Not a tourist trap. Local's joint.
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  The only Italian restaurant that comes to mind on Beach Street near Holiday Inn is called Benevenuti. It's quite popular with locals, is staffed with authentic Italian staff [accent and all], is reasonably priced, and is on the north side of Beach. However, it's west of the Holiday Inn, not east. So, I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind.
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  San Francisco Anyone?

  by Tina in

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  pardon this off topic please.. i thought i could get some good input here.. i'm sending my son on a mini-break (vacation) for his birthday.. he's always wanted to see san francisco.

  (yes,im still a mother hen too :>) he has just a few days so what would you recommend as a 'must see'?

  what will really give the 'flavor' of sf?

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  JWinSF

  Being a resident of SF, I can say that all of the above suggestions are "right on". I didn't see China Town listed. That's fab also.

  Oh, BTW, the mention of Baker Beach. He should be aware that the north end of the Beach [closer to the Golden Gate Bridge] is "clothing optional" and primarily, but not exclusively, gay.

  I didn't notice if this was mentioned. Go to the top of Twin Peaks and get a wonderful view of San Francisco and all the surrounding areas.

  Hope this helps.
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  San Francisco Anyone?

  by Tina in

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  pardon this off topic please.. i thought i could get some good input here.. i'm sending my son on a mini-break (vacation) for his birthday.. he's always wanted to see san francisco.

  (yes,im still a mother hen too :>) he has just a few days so what would you recommend as a 'must see'?

  what will really give the 'flavor' of sf?

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  JWinSF

  Wow! Another fan of Hitchcock's "Vertigo", one of my all time favs. I went to the '96 re-release of the remastered film. It was at The Castro Theater. Saw Kim Novak in person at the reception. What a gorgeous woman.

  See ya,
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  Elton John, Michael Jackson, and Prince

  by JWinSF in

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  this was in the san francisco chronicle today by columnist leah garchik.

  i just had to chuckle.. elton recollects: .

  ... what would it have been like if john had moved to the united states 30 years ago?

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  JWinSF

  Hi All,

  This was in the San Francisco Chronicle today by columnist Leah Garchik. I just had to chuckle.

  ELTON RECOLLECTS:
  ... What would it have been like if John had moved to the United States 30 years ago? asks the interviewer. "I'd be dead by now," says John. "Or a fruitcake like Michael Jackson or Prince. At least in Britain we don't have much tolerance for showbiz bull--."

  First, I thought it was really interesting that Elton linked both Michael Jackson and Prince as "fruitcakes", seeing that they both have been screwed up by their association with the JWs.

  Second, I thought it equally humorous that Elton would accuse them of being fruitcakes. After all, isn't that something like a Hostess Twinkee accusing a Hostess Ding-Dong of being junk food?