i taped it and i'm just watching it, patient has to have spleen removed....no mention yet that jws, just that their religion does not allow blood transfusions.
also she refuses durgs which is not a jw thing.
evidently they did not tell the doctor ahead of time or present a medical directive.
If you would like to watch a WTBTS promo video on YouTube from 2009, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6mmZPZ3-Mg . Maybe the North Korean government should hire the WTBTS's writing department to produce a promotional video for its people.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
candace asked me to tell you thank you for all your kind expressions of support.
this really means a lot to her.
she wants you to know that she is coping well with all the stress and excitement, even though she's had years of anger and frustration because of being abused for so long, first by the molester, and then by the wt.
Hi Barbara, Please tell Candace that she is very courageous and fearless. I hope that other JWs and former JWs will be inspired by her example to at least try to show the Truth about the the WTBTS even if it seems impossible.
By the way do you know how to Contact Candace's attorney Simons so that other JWs can initiate cases against the WTBTS? Since Steven Unthank is trying to protect JW children in Australia, it might be help him to know more about Candace's case. I sent Steven Unthank an email today about the case.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you know,
Robert
jehovah's witnesses ordered to pay more than $20 million to woman who said she was sexually abused.
by james eng, msnbc.com.
updated at 3:20 p.m. et: in what both sides described as a momentous ruling, a jury in oakland, calif., has found that jehovahs witnesses was partly responsible for the alleged sexual abuse of a girl by one of its members and must pay her more than $20 million.. the alameda county superior court jury on thursday awarded $21 million in punitive damages to the plaintiff, who is now 26 years old.
Other U.S. news organizations have started to report about the verdict of the lawsuit.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/06/15/BAUQ1P2PH2.DTL
It might help to expand on Ms. Conti success by writing to news organizations about other WTBTS dirty little secrets like JWs are required to shun JWs, like Ms. Conti, who bring reproach on the WTBTS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
this petition is to actively encourage congress to revise usc title 26 501 (and possibly 170) so that all tax exempt organizations must promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees.. .
congress should authorize the irs to promulgate regulations; investigate members, employees, and former members complaints; and enforce legislation.
an organizations tax exempt status should be suspended for not less than 3 years that does not promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees and instead intimidates or coerces them.. .
Band on the Run - Robert, a dissenting opinion is a dissenting opinion. All the classic Establishment Clauses apply. See,(most recently), Hein v. Freedom from Religion, Bowen v. Kendrick, Lemon and Agostini to cite the most recent and the most classic. The Supreme Court can only give opinions in Article III "cases and controversies." Unlike foreign courts, it is banned from giving advisory opinions. Bob Jones has nothing to do with tax exemptions and targeting one religion in particular. . . .
Hi Band on the Run, Are we talking past each other? I wrote to Cofty about Justice Rehnquist's dissenting opinion in BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, GOLDSBORO CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, INC. v. UNITED STATES. 461 U.S. 574 (1983) to explain that if the White House petition did inspire a law passed by Congress and signed by the President that the law would have more legal standing than court cases that established that racial discrimination was contrary to public policy. If you would like to discuss the White House petition more, please feel free to post your comments on the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/226465/1/Its-Back-Round-2.
All I ask is that you provide hyperlinks to your legal citations so that I do not have to ask you whether I found the correct court opinion. If you need help to embedded hyperlinks into your posts, just ask and I will be happy to help you. Personally, I like to use Word to embedded hyperlinks into posts with the legal citation visible and the url address invisible.
By the way I'm not trying to legally challenge any court cases. I'm trying to promote changes to existing laws that would uphold constitutional principles.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
if you are an american citizen, please visit http://wh.gov/tfk and sign the "protect millions of americans from dangerous orgs: modify usc title 26 501 tax exemption requirements" petition that i created on june 1, 2012 on the white house website.
i assume that only americans can sign this petition, but i do not know.
it takes about 2 minutes to register and sign the petition.
Band on the Run - I suspect this thread was not clearly titled in an attempt to hide this thread from my comments. To repeat what I argued in other threads, this petition is not only illegal, it is grossly unconst'l. The Supreme Court, in any manifestation, would bar such a move. The First Amendment protects religious freedom. The same goal can be reached by removing tax exemption for all religion. The OP never explains why he chose to remove only "dangerous" cults. The OP is incorrect and does not want to learn the law.
Besides a gross violation of the Constitution, the OP's plan would also be struck down for being too vague. "Dangerous" is too lose a concept to give notice to the public what is and is not permissible. It would vest arbitrary and capricious power in the hands of an uncontrolled bureaucracy. This country was founded by religious dissidents. They were very purposeful in barring federal estalishments. Without such a guarantee, there would be no United States of America.
If the bottom line is venom towards the WT, existing criminal laws apply to WT conduct. Removing all religious exemption is not unconst'l. The wording of the First Amendment is no accident. Law does not exist to right all wrongs. Many wrongs are better remediated through public education. News of the multimillion dollar award is such public education. It puts the public on notice not to become a Witness. Such moves are within the realm of the possible. . . .
Hi Band on the Run, You guessed wrong again about why I chose the title of this thread. I kept the thread’s title short to hopefully peak people's curiosity. Unfortunately, fewer people have viewed this thread than I hoped.
Since you only express your opinions without substantiating your point of view, I’m not afraid of your comments, because you have not refuted anything that I have written by citing with hyperlinks Supreme Court decisions or articles in recognized legal journals that would contradict anything that I have written. I look forward to you posting as frequently as you want to this thread, because hopefully it will remain in the top of the active threads. It would be a refreshing change, if your comments included hyperlinks to authoritative websites or you engaged in a dialogue by asking clarifying questions, instead of reiterating your opinion that you have written in the past.
Please remember that I do plan to respond to your comments in this thread, so I would recommend that you choose carefully whether to post to this thread or not.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
jehovah's witnesses ordered to pay more than $20 million to woman who said she was sexually abused.
by james eng, msnbc.com.
updated at 3:20 p.m. et: in what both sides described as a momentous ruling, a jury in oakland, calif., has found that jehovahs witnesses was partly responsible for the alleged sexual abuse of a girl by one of its members and must pay her more than $20 million.. the alameda county superior court jury on thursday awarded $21 million in punitive damages to the plaintiff, who is now 26 years old.
Thanks for the upudate Barbara!
If anyone would like to ask a JW what they think about the aforementions article, you can send them the following link to the article: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/15/12225753-jehovahs-witnesses-ordered-to-pay-more-than-20-million-to-woman-who-said-she-was-sexually-abused?lite.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
this petition is to actively encourage congress to revise usc title 26 501 (and possibly 170) so that all tax exempt organizations must promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees.. .
congress should authorize the irs to promulgate regulations; investigate members, employees, and former members complaints; and enforce legislation.
an organizations tax exempt status should be suspended for not less than 3 years that does not promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees and instead intimidates or coerces them.. .
Cofty -Robert how does Bob Jones overt racial dscrimination have relevance to JW shunning former members?
Hi Cofty, That is an interesting question considering what Justice Rehnquist wrote in his dissenting opinion in BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, GOLDSBORO CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, INC. v. UNITED STATES. 461 U.S. 574 (1983) (see quote box below). According to Article I of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has the responsibility and the authority to “make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.” The current White House petition only asks the Obama Administration to actively encourage Congress to pass legislation. If this petition inspires a law that tax exempt organizations must promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and/or employees, then Congress would have fulfilled its Constitutional responsibilities that it failed to do with racial discrimination according to Justice Rehnquist.
I hope that anyone who does sign the White House petition will also write letters to the President, U.S. senators, and U.S. representatives.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
Excerpt from Justice Rehnquiest's dissenting opinion in BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, GOLDSBORO CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, INC. v. UNITED STATES. 461 U.S. 574 (1983)
"The Court points out that there is a strong national policy in this country against racial discrimination. To the extent that the Court states that Congress, in furtherance of this policy, could deny tax-exempt status to educational institutions that promote racial discrimination, I readily agree. But, unlike the Court, I am convinced that Congress simply has failed to take this action and, as this Court has said over and over again, regardless of our view on the propriety of Congress' failure to legislate, we are not constitutionally empowered to act for it."
if you are an american citizen, please visit http://wh.gov/tfk and sign the "protect millions of americans from dangerous orgs: modify usc title 26 501 tax exemption requirements" petition that i created on june 1, 2012 on the white house website.
i assume that only americans can sign this petition, but i do not know.
it takes about 2 minutes to register and sign the petition.
Thanks a million to the 24 people, who have signed the White House petition at http://wh.gov/tFK .
Please visit the "Protect Americans from Dangerous Orgs" Facebook page at http://on.fb.me/wh-petition if you would like to learn more reasons why to sign the White House petition and how to remain anonymous if you want by reading the FAQ box that is pinned to the top of the Facebook timeline.
To me it is very tragic that Candace Conti won a court case against the WTBTS for child molestation and WTBTS secrecy (see thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/227049/1/Plaintiff-awarded-in-punitive-damages-21M-1-dollar-Total-award-28M-1-dollar-Heres-more-info ) and she also probably had to suffer shunning from JW family and friends in addition to being molested. Hopefully this petition might be able to prevent more child molestation from occurring as well as reducing shunning by JWs, and by members of other dangerous orgs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
this petition is to actively encourage congress to revise usc title 26 501 (and possibly 170) so that all tax exempt organizations must promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees.. .
congress should authorize the irs to promulgate regulations; investigate members, employees, and former members complaints; and enforce legislation.
an organizations tax exempt status should be suspended for not less than 3 years that does not promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees and instead intimidates or coerces them.. .
Thanks discreetslave for starting this thread!
For the naysayers of this thread I would suggest reading BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, GOLDSBORO CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, INC. v. UNITED STATES. 461 U.S. 574 (1983) that shows that the Supreme Court held that the IRS could revoke the tax exmption of Bob Jones University for not following public policy. It would be a refreshing change for naysayers to actually reference Supreme Court decisions or published articles in respected legal journals with hyperlinks instead of spouting personal opinions.
If people would like to learn more about this petition they can read the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/226465/1/Its-Back-Round-2 and visit the "Protecting Americans from Dangerous Orgs" Facebook page at http://on.fb.me/wh-petition.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i will email this around uk newspapers, even the ones i wouldn't be seen dead reading.
i have aimed for succinct and non-sensational.. please feel free to use and abuse it if you want, the more emails they all get the more it may catch their attention.. your feedback please before i send it..... .
the legal corporation that controls the activities of jehovahs witnesses, the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, has been ordered by a californian court to pay $20 000 001 in punitive damages to a victim of child sexual abuse.. the victim candace conti brought the action after the organisation refused to change its official policy of secrecy as to sexual abuse of children by congregation members.
Best of wishes for you Cofty! As long as the facts are correct, your letter should score big with British papers.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
