Posts by ABibleStudent

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Newbie Here! :) Physically in, mentally out.

by OneStepOut93 in

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hey everyone.

my name is... well.. let's call me lexi for now.

;) i found this site a long time ago and just decided to join today.. okay so i'm 19and living with my jw witness grandma.

ABibleStudent

Welcome ((((((OneStepOut93))))))) and hugs. You don't have to lose your family if you plan your fade carefully. Before moving in with your BF, try to learn how to communicate better with your JW family and friends and get a better education. Think more about the pro's and con's of moving in with your BF. He may seem better and safer than living with your JW family today, but things can change in the future. Post what you want to do and ask other JWN members for advice.

Have you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", or (his latest) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs") or visited his website? If you have some money, he may be able to give you better advice over the phone than most of the advice that you will receive here.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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LA Times: Many researchers taking a different view of pedophilia

by AndersonsInfo in

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115/2.

many researchers taking a different view of pedophiliapedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life.

now, many experts view it as a deep-rooted predisposition that does not change.january 14, 2013|by alan zarembo, los angeles timesas a young boy, paul christiano loved the world of girls the way they danced, how their spindly bodies tumbled in gymnastics.

ABibleStudent

I agree with AnneB that the root cause issue is impulse control. According to the article, being a pedophiliac must really suck, but that does not condon child molestation. As long as pedophiliacs recognize their condition and do not indulge in it, they should be treated with respect, and not put into tempting situations. If a person breaks the law, then they should be prosecuted.

Although the article was interesting, I doubt that the Watchtower will change their view of pedophilia. Will it still be wait on Jehovah?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Files Show how LA Church Leaders Shielded . . .

by ABibleStudent in

no it was not the wtbts.

it was the roman catholic archdiocese.

even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

ABibleStudent

Hi Band on the Run, How would you compare Mahoney's talk to a GB member's talk? I personally like, for lack of a better word, debates because I like listening to opposing views when debaters do not attack each other personally. Anyone can make an eloquent speech to rationalize their position, and hide essential information that would sway the opinions of listeners. Personally I view Mahoney as a company man who sold his soul to protect an organization's image at the expense of individuals. You would hope that Mahoney and Pope Benedict would care more for their member's flocks.

Hi gone for good, I agree that a title is important. Also, I feel that it is also important to select a forum that visitors can view a thread. What suggestions do you have for a good title to promote writing to politicians? How would you word a petition to motivate people to write their representatives? I am convinced that politician's changing tax and charitable laws would have a significant impact on organizations like the WTBTS and Catholic Church, who care more about the organization's image than individuals. Money talks and people walk.

Would anyone else like to share their thoughts?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Do you have friends/family still in the organization waiting for a big "cleansing" to occur?

by Pyramid Scheme in

i have had some great conversations with friends and family lately who are still in the organization.. when i explain my feelings and beliefs, and discuss a number of the scandals surrouding the wt, they agree with me 100% - even expressing some things i didn't expect them to say as far as doctrine and teachings.

in other words, they can see the obvious problems and want them to change.

all of them little trust in the leadership, and have expressed disgust with several elders in the congregations they attend.

ABibleStudent

irondork - . . . I believe the fact that there are so many people waiting for an adjustment is a wonderful development. They KNOW something is wrong. The awakening has begun and it's about to explode.

Anybody heard of the platitude that JWs say, "Where else will we go?" JWs like being persecueted and being victims, and WTBTS's leaders like victimizing JWs. It is a co-dependent relationship.

Thank God for the internet, smart-phones, and tablets!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I did it my way

by Roberta804 in

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as many of you know, my mother passed away this past week.

sitting here in the quiet of my hotel room i recalled a repeated wish i had since i was 10 years old.

"if only mom would die i would be free (of the jws)".

ABibleStudent

I'm sorry about your suffering and your mother's too. Live well and piss off all JWs who you know buy sending them emails with pictures of you, your husband, children, and grandchildren having fun on your holidays. Nothing says it better than a picture of happy people enjoying life.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Annoying 2/15 WT - Don't Be Stumbled- your Mind Just Misunderstands !

by flipper in

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another wt article which causes jw's to doubt their own perceptions of reality.

) in this particular article titled " for those loving jehovah, " there is no stumbling block " - the wt society stoops to new, or rather re-hashed lows to insinuate that most if not all jw's really misunderstand causes of stumbling as it's just their minds that are imperfect, messed up, or gone entirely anyway.

the first abhorrent bit of information here describes a witness man who " fought " with feelings of being homosexual and of course the elders thought they had the perfect antidote to keep him from his alleged " abnormal " desires.

ABibleStudent

Nothing the WTBTS thinks up to stupify JWs works as well as the Shun Gun that is pointed at every JWs mind. You got to give Freddie Franz kuddos for laying the groundwork for the WTBTS of today.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Talked to Phone Witnessing JWs

by jamiebowers in

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i usually can't hear someone knocking on the door of our enclosed porch, so i haven't spoken to a jw in person in the ten years that we've been at this house.

and being that the temperatures are currently very cold in northeast ohio, i suppose the jws are doing telephone witnessing.

so, today i had the opportunity to talk to two real live jws.

ABibleStudent

jamiebowers. Stick to your proverbial guns!! Don't let any religion (or organization) tread on the rights of an individual to save the reputation of the organization's leaders!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Files Show how LA Church Leaders Shielded . . .

by ABibleStudent in

no it was not the wtbts.

it was the roman catholic archdiocese.

even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

ABibleStudent

Just bumping to give more people a chance to read this thread in the active topic list. So far 327 views and only 2 other posters.

What attracts people to view some threads and not others? Does the title need to include words like sex, pedophilia, dissecting/dis'ing WTBTS doctrines, . . . ?

What motivates people to post to some threads and not others? Is it controversy, is it picking on perceived trolls, is it venting about being a JW, is it helping others cope with fading, . . . ?

My inquiring mind would like to know.

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Files Show how LA Church Leaders Shielded . . .

by ABibleStudent in

no it was not the wtbts.

it was the roman catholic archdiocese.

even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

ABibleStudent

Hi Dagney, Thanks for the supportive comment and you are half-right that Mahoney is such a tool - he is tool of Biblical proporations!

Okage, I don't think a pledge will motivate JWN members, but I am willing to try your suggestion.

How about the following pledge:

I pledge to write my Political leaders until February 28, 2013 in the country that I am a citizen for no less than 1 hour per week to lobby my representatives to change existing tax/charitiable laws to revoke the tax exempt or charitiable status of any non-profit organizations that does not have _______________ (intentionally left blank for each person to fill in their personal requirements).

What do you think? It is less than 10 hours/month, does not require people to go D2D to distribute propaganda, and the Watchtower leaders will never learn who wrote what politicians. Unfortunately, unlike the WTBTS, I will not promise that anyone will live forever in a paradise earth, but no JW will ever live forever in a paradise earth.

So, start living and make living on earth a little better!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Files Show how LA Church Leaders Shielded . . .

by ABibleStudent in

no it was not the wtbts.

it was the roman catholic archdiocese.

even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

ABibleStudent

No it was not the WTBTS. It was the Roman Catholic Archdiocese. Even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

"The confidential records filed in a lawsuit against the archdiocese disclose how the church handled abuse allegations for decades and also reveal dissent from a top Mahony aide who criticized his superiors for covering up allegations of abuse rather than protecting children."

So why write this thread? How many members of JWN would care enough to write their political representatives to change tax/charity laws in their respective country for the next month? Instead of posting frequently on JWN, take an hour a week to write a representative for the next month.

Why aren't all tax exempt and charitible organizations required to protect children or lose their tax exempt or charitible status? All tax and charitible laws should have some societal requirements for tax exempt and charitiable organizations to encourage reporting felionious crimes to appropriate law enforcement authorities without violating existing privacy rights and to institute child protection policies. The Boy Scouts of America, Amateur Athletic Union (AAU), and Civil Air Patrol to name a few organizations have already institutied stringent child protection measures, because those organizations care more about protecting individuals instead of the image of the organization.

So what is your excuse? Are exJWs or visiting JWs, who believe in protecting children, able to organize and write their politicians to protect children? Is organizing exJWs and JWs to protect children like herding cats, as was stated in the thread "Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert