Posts by ABibleStudent

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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.

i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.

introduction.

ABibleStudent

Hi EdenOne, You did a good job of showing that many religions used/use shunning to coerce members, a brief description of the psychological effects to those shunned, and a brief history of how the WTBTS viewed shunning. I feel that the section about " Doctrinal Development and Scriptural Support" should also include a paragraph (or two) with WTBTS references about when the WTBTS started using closed door JC's to DF JWs instead of letting the congregation decide.

I'm currious why you did not try to seperate DA'ing from shunning also? If shunning DF'ed JWs cannot be supported by the Bible without twisting the scriptures, then shunning DA'ed and/or fading JWs cannot be supported either. If Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, what would Christians learn from reading John 6:60-70? If Jesus did not tell his 12 disciples to shun those disciples that left him, Why would Christian religions promote shunning members who no longer wish to follow the leaders of a religion?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Thinking of going back

by Laika in

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friends

someone talk some sense into me ffs..

ABibleStudent

Hi Laika, You are probably feeling grief about JWs who you miss. That is the power of BITE control!! Feelings of grief are like an ocean wave. Sometimes they crest and seem impossible to control.

I use to feel grief after my ex-wife divorced me. Sometiems it really sucked when the wave of emotions came crashing down on me. It took several years to fully overcome my feelings of grief. Now life is sooo much better without her and she only treated me worse after we divorced.

What do you like to do? Go out and meet new non-JWs instead of going back to the KH. Nothing has changed about the WTBTS that would change your initial feelings for leaving the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Overheard some JWs on the train today- going to be interesting this year

by lrkr in

cruising down to the city this afternoon we were behind a group of j-dubs on the train.

part of the conversation centered around the "generation" teaching.

all of them clearly trying to wrap their heads around it.

ABibleStudent

If a JW says "Where else will we go?", why not ask them 'Don't you mean " “Lord, to whom shall we go?" The Bible directs Christians to follow Jesus Christ (i.e., John 6:68) instead of an organization, so why do JWs follow imperfect men?'

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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should I tell the CO my doubts?

by Captain Blithering in

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friends

its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.

hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.

i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!

ABibleStudent

Captain Blithering - I don't know if I can resist telling people. Or at least asking interesting questions.

Hi Captain Blithering, You will probably reach your goals sooner by asking simple, interesting questions than by telling people what to believe. The WTBTS is very good at indoctrinating people to believe that JWs know more than anyone else. Asking simple questions that help JWs to critically think for themselves will help JWs to see TTATT sooner than preaching to them.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I don´t fit in here, so goodbye and take everyone.

by Mr Fool in

after some reflections i have come to the decision to disfellowship myself from here, permanently.

many interesting argumentations sometimes, thank you adamah for many clever reflections.

criticizing in a bad manner of members and arrogant "i know better than you"-attitudes is a part of it.

ABibleStudent

Hi Mr Fool, I wish you the best in your search for peace. Compared to JWs in a KH JWN must seem like a nut house to many JWs. I prefer the reality of JWN to the illusion of the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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=( Sad... waking up my mom is going to be next to impossible

by ILoveTTATT in

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my mom showed me how ferocious a mind-controlled person may be.. i started talking to her about the septuagint... i don't know at what point the conversation went wrong but she just got angry and said, "well, i trust that jehovah has kept the bible intact... i want to end this conversation"... and i said, "mom, you haven't even let me finish.

"i don't want to continue this conversation!

stop the car".

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, Have you thought about the saying that people have two ears and one mouth? Instead of telling your mother your opinion, ask your mother about her opinion and then ask more simple questions that help her to critically think for herself. It will not be easy for you, but you may have more success with your mother. Also, back off when your mother's cult persona starts to gain control of her actions. You need to find ways to help your mother's authentic persona to be in control.

Remember that JWs are slow to adapt because they must wait for direction from the WTBTS. You can adapt more quickly and it is a lot easier to listen to uncover what is causing your mother cognitive dissonance than to be the source of her cognitive dissonance.

Best of wishes and I hope that you and jwfacts can team up to create webpages in Spanish on www.jwfacts.com.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Greetings to All!! I'm Baaaaaack....

by Elders_Kid in

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friends

well it's been over a decade since i've been active here.

life got busy, had some ups and downs, but life is good!.

it looks like simon is still in charge of the place, although the look is a bit different from last time i was here.

ABibleStudent

Welcome Elders_Kid, I'm glad that life overall has been good to you.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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A new start? Watchtower renaming at HQ Columbia Heights

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

friends,.

who was in any doubt that our jw believe is a marketing model, see this pictures of the still existing hq of jw at columbia heights.. earlier comments on jwn that something is going to change in the organisation, these comments are true.. in a few years we will not talk about the watchtower society, we wil talk about jw.org.

i think the current leadership will make a transfer to a new start.

ABibleStudent

Interesting change. Instead of just trying to link themselves to Jehovah, the GB is now trying to link themselves to all JWs. Say anything bad about JW.org and JWs may think that someone is attacking them personally instead of the Org.

If more JWs do become connected, it will probably increase the number of JWs learning TTATT. If the WTBTS is transforming itself into a real estate holding company, it is probably in their best interest to lose about 3/4 of all JWs so that they can sell more real estate.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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The fiance brought in witnesses today oh joy. QUESTIONS

by OneStepOut93 in

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friends

so it's been seven months since i moved out of my parents place and in with my (now) fiance.

they came to our door this morning and it's been a long time since i spoke to my parents.

i was never disfellowshipped because i was never baptized but there is still online limited contact.

ABibleStudent

Hi OneStepOut93, If your fiance understood that the WTBTS is a dangerous cult, he might change his mind about the WTBTS and JWs. The following two videos may help your fiance the most, and don't cost a penny. The first video is a good chick flick and goes well with wine, crackers, and cheese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIDwXYACfmM

Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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should I tell the CO my doubts?

by Captain Blithering in

jw
friends

its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.

hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.

i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!

ABibleStudent

Captain Blithering - Anyone got a Hassan book on pdf?

Hi Captain Blithering, The next best thing to reading Steve Hassan's books is watching Steve Hassan's videos. The following three videos are on Steve Hassan's website www.freedomofmind.com: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23), NY Ethical Culture Society February 2013 (41:09), and NY Ethical Culture Society 2010 (40:56).

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert