Posts by ABibleStudent

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Why is shunning wrong?

by noonehome in

consider an example i often hear.

youre sitting at a dinner table.

the topic of conversation is regarding your mother.

IMHO it is alright to excommunicate or disfellow members, but it is not acceptable for an organization to promote that members must ostracize former members. Organizations that promote ostracation (e.g., shunning) or discrimination (e.g., not associating with non-members) victimize their members. Organizations that use undue influence to promote ostracation or discrimination are worse.

People have brains and should be free to make their own decisions - good or bad.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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what is the current procedure for moving congregations?

by solomon in

i am moving congregations soon and what is the best way to do it.

do you just show up in the new place and tell the elders you are new there and they will deal with it?.

ABibleStudent

Hi solomon, Are you moving to another congregation or are you trying to fade quietly by moving to another congregation? If the later, you might get more recommendations about selecting what congregation to move to as well as when to stop attending.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Pilot project - Jehovah's Witnesses in Manhattan

by LogCon in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbohitd8goi.

the above you tube link shows jw's setting up the new cart complete with recorded interviews of the witnesses who are tending them.. in addition, the jw reporter interviews people on the street for their reaction.

the comments individuals make are very positive, such as the following:.

ABibleStudent

I feel that the WTBTS propaganda carts are a great idea by the WTBTS to thin the flock. I can hardly wait to encounter one myself. May be the WTBTS will have a cart at the Salsa Festival this weekend!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's

by BackSlider in

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it seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.

is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?

would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?

ABibleStudent

IMHO the bible is a collection of stories (especially the OT) that can be described as didactic literature (read NOVA | Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - PBS). The creators of the stories wanted to convey a message. That message was conveyed by word of mouth until it was written down. Religions/people have used the bible for their own purposes throughout history which has victimized others. The WTBTS/JW.org has perfected victimizing JWs with BITE control, so I feel that the WTBTS is more dangerous than the Bible because the WTBTS/JW.org is a dangerous cult and do victimize JWs.

The bottom line is everyone has a brain, so use your brain and do not blindly follow what other people say. Do your own independent research!

To me the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ are useful to me to live a better life because Jesus Christ's emphasized loving others unconditionally and be wary of religions (i.e., Pharisees and Sadducees). After reading Steve Hassan's books to learn about BITE control, the Gospels become clearer that Jesus Christ was attempting to help Jews to critically think for themselves (or follow the Holy Spirit/Moral Compass inside of themselves) instead of blindly following the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Reaching Out

by jim_bean in

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hi all, i'll leave my full story for another time.

but briefly: i was born-in, raised by my single jw-mother, baptised at 18, faded less than 18 months later (never da'd.. or df'd to my knowledge!

), never gone back (though i looked over my shoulder for some time afterwards!

ABibleStudent

Welcome jim_bean, Thanks for relating your story.

Kuddos to you for reaching out to JWs. You are smart to only reach-out to the "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) JWs and exJWs, because the "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JWs would feel too much cognitive dissonance to do independent research themselves.

You have many options to help JWs/exJWs to overcome the WTBTS's BITE control. I would recommend that you read information by reputable cult-exit couselors such as Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website on www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website. Just sending them emails with pictures of what you are doing (except for parties) might cause them doubts. If you start talking with them, learning how to overcome them using WTBTS's thought-stopping platitudes might help them to start to critically think for themselves.

Best of wishes on your upcoming Birthday(s) - may you have many more B'parties.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

ABibleStudent

Terry. I hope that you also volunteered to always talk with him and/or to help Jordan develop a new support network, if his independent research confirms what you are telling him. It is unfortunate that the WTBTS and JWs will not allow JWs to quietly leave and live their lives to their full potential.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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When did the line become so blur? Convention souvenirs & JW.org

by fredPotato in

i am pretty sure it has been discussed before here, but i just wanted to express how repulsive it is to me to see all that jw.org worship.. after looking at this picture, can you tell me where the jws are heading to?.

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it makes me want to vomit.. cheers..

ABibleStudent

All JWs hail!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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National newspaper interview with JW's using the JW.org trolley

by Gorbatchov in

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a dutch national newspaper (trouw) published an interview with some jw's using the jw.org trolley near the trainstation of utrecht.. the local coordinator of the trolley work acknowledged that many witness are not enthusiastic about preaching.

it's a wide spread rumor in our organization.. but the witness elders will remind them personally that preaching is nessasery.

then there is an question asked about the witness selection procedure for the trolley work.. the good looking pioneer sister answered she can imagine the need for selection because nobody would take a book from an old age leaning forward woman without teeth.. g..

ABibleStudent

It must have been a slow news day when they printed that story, Gorbatchov. After MH17 was shot down, I doubt that story would have been printed.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

jw
friends

i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

ABibleStudent

for confronting and talking with the JW, Terrry! The WTBTS's BITE control is very powerful!!! I agree with Finkelstein about segueing into JWfacts.com to JWs and to possible recruits, instead of getting upset.

How many exJW apologist will say that the WTBTS is not a cult and has the "Truth", even if they no longer believe in God nor that the Bible is the word of God? I know of one exJW who has been out > 20 years and told me that the WTBTS is not a cult and believe it has the "Truth", if he believed that the Bible was the word of God.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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My frist email letter from my JW Dad. So sad...

by suavojr in

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i am in my early 30s and woke up to ttatt in late 2012. my dad just turned 65 in june!

wow, i never saw that being possible.. .

he just got himself a computer and was able to get internet in a remote location where he is serving as an elder with my mom (where the need is great) i was happy to see how he was able to send me a few notes saying hi and i was able to share some pictures of my wife and family, etc.. .

ABibleStudent

Be grateful that your Dad has a computer and is interested in learning how to use it, suavojr!!

Send your Dad and Mom lots of pictures of you and your family having fun doing non-JW activities. Also, send your Dad links to celtic music sites, and youtube videos of guitar players. Also, you can show him travel sites that might help him save money by staying in non-WTBTS approved hotels for DC/RC and would help him relax after without all the JW reinforced thought-stopping platitidues.

Anything that you can do to increase your Dad's interest in non-JW activities on the internet might help him to stumble on sites like JWfacts.com and JWN.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert