Posts by ABibleStudent

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A few questions when they say" The light gets brighter"

by Defianttruth in

god is the alpha and omega.

he created everything from the vast universe to small quarks.

he created the human beings with 23 pairs of chromosomes with 4x10^171 possible variations (that's a 4 with 171 zeroes behind it) he created complex emotions and abstract thoughts.

ABibleStudent

Welcome Defianttruth to JWN, Your questions would be helpful to JWs if you were not talking with a JW drone (someone who blindly follows the WTBTS and stopped critically thinking about WTBTS's doctrines). Unfortunately the WTBTS is very good at employing BITE control techniques to control and victimize JWs.

Have you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs")? You will have a better understanding about why JWs behave the way they do after reading Steve Hassan's books or visiting his website.

Peace be with you and everone, who you love,

Robert

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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!

by Blablaman in

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not long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.

vote now!.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .

ABibleStudent

I hope that this petition gains more support. I wrote a similiar White House petition last spring and summer of 2012 that did not go far. In December of 2012, I was surprized to learn that there are 5 White House petitions to revoke the Tax Exempt Status of the Westboro Baptist Church or classify it as a Hate Group that I wrote about in the Thread "Petitions urge White House to classify Westboro church as hate group and . . .". Those White House petitions have collected over 300,000 signatures in total. So it is possble to collect a lot of signatures if you can sell the concept in a way that resonates with people.

Has anyone thought about contacting other organizations such as Gay Groups, Child Protection Groups, and Women Groups and explaining how the WTBTS and other Dangerous Cults adversely affect U.K. citizens? Has anyone thought about creating a more universal petition to investigate all Dangerous Cults in the U.K. that receive funds from the government? In times of fiscal challenges politicians may be willing to more closely scrutinize public spending.

I know from personal experience that organizing exJWs to becoming politically active is challenging. Another JWN member wrote that "organizing exJW is like herding cats."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Flip-flopping all over the place

by confusedteenager in

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one minute i'm believing completely in god and in jesus christ, and in the next instance i'm questioning all religious systems in general.

i think i'm just lacking faith, but then in the back of my head i'm wondering if i've just been so indoctrinated and deluded...that i can't imagine living without considering that there is a god to be worshiped, or that i need to worship god in order to be happy.

i don't know how full-blown atheists or full blown christians do it either way.

ABibleStudent

Hi confusedteenager, You are transitioning from being a child to being an adult and wondering about everything that you were taught as a JW - a double whammy. You don't have to solve all your thoughts and feelings in one day. Give it time. Everything is not good or bad, or black or white.

Do independent research from the WTBTS and do not rely on only one source for your information. If you have a Kindle, I would recommend that you get an e-book of Steve Hassan's latest book "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs" so that you can heal emotionally yourself and possibly communicate better with your JW parent(s).

When I was a teenager, I stopped going to church at 12 and I believed that I was an agnostic until about 40 yrs-old. Because of what I have experienced in life, I believe that I am now a Christian. To me being a Christian is following the teachings of Jesus Christ because it make my life better - not perfect, but better. I do not believe that God or Jesus Christ wants us to worship them like pagans worshipped idols - they want us to cherish such concepts as Love, truth, and helping other people as Jesus taught his disciples in the Bible.

In time you will figure out what works best for you.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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how do you feel when you see JWs door-to-door?

by love2Bworldly in

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how do you feel when you see jws going door to door?

i live in a gated community so i always tell the guard to kick them out when i see them.

i also feel sorry for them when i see them because i remember how much i despised doing it.

ABibleStudent

I feel sorry for the R&F JWs. I wish that I could help them to see through their cult programming. It is not their fault that they were recruited into a dangerous cult. I know that I am thankful that I was not deceived by the WTBTS B.S.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Stop Putting Apostate Stickers On My Literature! They "Cost Lots of Money!"

by AuntConnie in

"true story" the circuit overseer came to our kingdom hall and read us the riot act (local needs style) "magazines of this quality are not free, they cost money and we are not generating enough donations to defray the cost of the magazines(or running the top of the line printing presses) i get my ass out of bed to place literature in the laundray cleaning, coin opperated shops and some asshole puts his apostate stickers on our magazines.

do you know how hard it is to get up at 6:00 am and how expensive those magazines are costing the organization to print?

please stop defiling our literature, i dont post hateful stickers on your website so please leave my magazines alone.

ABibleStudent

Instead of trashing Watchtower and Awake! magazines, why not use them to advertise to exJWs, JWs, or potential recruits?

If I see a Watchtower or Awake!, I hope that I have a pen to circle the magazine name and then write "Cult Propaganda!! Visit jwfacts.com (or freedomeofmind.com) instead of reading this!!" or "Hazardous Material inside: Destroys thinking for yourself!! Visit jwfacts.com (or freedomofmind.com) instead!!".

If I knew where JWs would regularly leave their magazines, I would even spend a little money to make a nice Avery type label to put on their magazines and post a nice flyer for Steve Hassan's book "Freedom of Mind" and jwfacts' booklet on a poster board nearby.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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2013 Countdown of WT Brooklyn Properties

by Gayle in

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169 columbia heights.

161 columbia heights.

165 columbia heights.

ABibleStudent

If you want to do some digital research, you can tip-toe through the digital bytes and bits using NYC ACRIS Records system. Unfortunately, it did not seem as well designed as some County Assessor's systems that I have accessed in the past. Brooklyn is in Kings County, NY.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Greetings from a new member

by EdenOne in

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greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

ABibleStudent

Eden "Of course, losing family and friends in "the truth", that one was taught to cultivate in a regime of almost exclusivity, while discarding everyone else, is a devastating horizon to contemplate. Moreso when your own spouse is very straight about divorcing if you turn out an "apostate" for her loyalty is stronger to "Jehovah's Organization" than to any man - husband included. So, yes, there are circumstances like these to ponder. However, I'm headstrong enough to get over it all if remaining a member becomes unbearable. But it has the potential to leave bruises and scars for sure."

Hi Eden, Based on your previous post, I presume that you are married to a "Spiritually Strong" (gag!) JW? If you are married to a JW, I would recommend that you read the following thread by stuckinamovement "Progress ( I think? ) in helping my wife to see the "truth"". From what I have learned from reading Steve Hassen's books and posts by other exJWs, it is best not to bottle up your feelings inside of you, it is best to start making non-JW friends and introducing your wife to them, and planning fun and enjoyable holidays away together without thinking about the WTBTS. Something as simple as going to a nice hotel that is not recommended by the WTBTS to attend an assembly could be a nice way to appear like a JW but not get totally sucked into the JW indoctrination and expose your wife to a different perspective.

If you are very conflicted by your feelings that the WTBTS is wrong on many issues and that you love your spouce very much, I would also recommend that you start another thread and ask members about their experiences dealing with "Spiritually Strong" (brain dead) JW spouses.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Greetings from a new member

by EdenOne in

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greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

ABibleStudent

Eden to ABibleStudent " . . .As for the Holy Spirit being the channel ... I believe the Holy Spirit is the vehicle, not the channel; It's the difference between the car and the road. The GB claims to be the only road by which the Holy Spirit travels. However, that is not what Jesus said. He taught that anyone who sincerely asks God for his Holy Spirit and looks into the Scriptures for direction, will be able to be guided by that spirit. "

Hi Eden, I have a slightly different view than you have about the Holy Spirit being the channel between God and Jesus Christ and people, but we would still arrive at the same conclusion about the relationship of reading the Scriptures and being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Are you worried about losing relationships of family and friends because of the Shun Gun that the WTBTS points at the minds of all JWs? Do you know the history of the WTBTS' Shunning Doctrine? JWfacts has a good and detailed article about it in "Disfellowshipping and Shunning" - the article is a little long for me but has good references. Did you know that C.T. Russell the founder of the Zion Watchtower (later to transform into the WTBTS) wrote in the April 1887 Watchtower magazine on page 923 against shunning as currently practised by the WTBTS? I know that C.T. Russell's ideas are "Old Light" and not "New Light" but how did the light get brigther by the change and why was the light changed?

If you are worried about losing relationships with your family and friends because they will shun you, you really should read Steve Hassan's book "Freedom of Mind" because you will learn how to communicate better with your family and friends through their BITE control indoctrination.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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JWs say it's my fault I didn't go to university ?!

by ekruks in

like many on here, as a jw trying hard to follow the direction of the gb, i listened to the advice to pioneer and trust in jehovah to provide (mat6.33) instead of going to university.

after struggling for ages in low-paid physically-demanding jobs, i decided to become a student (thanks for the encouragement on here guys!).

i tell a jw i wish i had been to university when i was a teenager, and put all that pioneer time into studying hard for a good grade, get a good job, and if i had wound up tired as i am now, at least i would have been paying into a mortgage on a home and pension.

ABibleStudent

Hi ekruks, What is stopping you from getting a better education/training now? The WTBTS and JWs were wrong so why continue to listen to them or let them influence your life?

Decide whether you want to continue to be a victum or do something positive with your life! Decide what you like and have an aptitude doing, make a plan that has a reasonable chance of success, and then execute your plan. After you succeed then you can tell JWs how happy you are that you decided to get a better education/training and let them envy you!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Publishers Need A Background Check Before Moving To My Kingdom Hall.

by AuntConnie in

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background check first.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi Connie, Is requiring a background check something that you want at the KH that you attend, or do the elders require a background check? If a background check is required by your congregation, do only the elders know the results, do JWs who have criminal records not allowed into the congregation, or is the whole congregation told of the results?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert