Posts by Essan

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"THE EVIL SLAVE" exposes the Watchtower....Four Bible Student elders speak up !

by koolaid-man in

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the largest schism in watchtower history involved the bible students in the 20's and 30's.

it was not so much that bible students "opposed" the work of the society, the issue was the bible students and the society were no longer in harmony doctrinally, the 3,000 or so who "dropped" out by 1918, eventually grew in the coming years, by 1930 seventy-five percent of the original bible students had abandoned the society.

the bible students or "the evil slave" as the jehovah's witnesses refer to them as, are now coming back to haunt the org.

Essan

It seems to me that the Bible Students are an infinitely less dangerous and controlling version of the JWs - or rather, I should say, the JWs are an infinitely more dangerous and controlling version of the Bible Students, seeing as the Witnesses are really a sect of the Bible Students rather than the other way around.

I'm not interested in either really, but the Bible Students have far more to recommend them compared to the JWs. It would be fantastic if somehow there was a mass exodus from the JWs to the Bible Students. They would be much better off.

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Whats the weirdest thing a JW ever said to you?

by chukky 594 in

i remember a 'sister' coming up to me and telling me off for being on the atkins diet, as it was satanic and designed by satan.. chukky.

Essan

A friend said this in front of myself and two uptight elders while on the ministry, breaking a long uncomfortable silence:

"I have to do a talk about masturbation this week. [long pause] I'm reeeally glad I'm not working on 'gestures' [looks at elders for a moment then pumped his fist vigorously by way of explanation]

One elder looked shocked, one struggled very hard not to laugh. I didn't bother struggling and PMSL. :)

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Reform or dissolve Watchtower and questions?

by ruruj in

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first of all, is there a way to keep this topic available?.

some would like to see authoritarian repressive watchtower gone, others want reform among jws now!

... "don't curse the darkness light a candle" - a chinese proverb?.

Essan

I tend to agree that you can't 'reform' the Watchtower. Everything that is unique about it is what is wrong with it - which is to say that if everything wrong with it was 'reformed', there would be nothing left, nothing unique about it and hence no reason for it to exist, and so it's membership would evaporate.

It's dying anyway. It's just dying a slow painful death. Anything that can be done to speed up that process and 'put it out of it's misery' sooner would be a merciful act for all concerned, IMO.

So I say, dissolve.

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THE "OTHER SHEEP" ARE NOT GENTILE CHRISTIANS, because...............

by Titus in

i don't want biblical answer, but from any watchtower publication.

has that question ever been answered in any watchtower publications?.

please, give me some references.. i expect answer from debator, alice, bane, scholar or any other active jehovah's witness.

Essan

Can I suggest that the vast list of - largely irrelevant - counter-questions in djeggnog's post above not be answered until he has provided full answers to the fairly simply questions in the OP. Let's stick to one question at a time - the original question, remember who asked it, what it was, and who is obliged to answer it. Let's keep it simple.

Don't fall for the JW defensive equivalent of 'squid ink' - a pointless clouding of the waters - avoiding simple questions through endless irrelevant counter questions, answers to questions that weren't asked (sleight of hand), and generally making things hopelessly and needlessly convoluted, so that - they hope - their inability to give s straight answer to a simple question goes unnoticed.

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FDS topic- Bible Support

by AwSnap in

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im searching and searching, but not finding what i need.

it is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption.

44 it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body.

Essan

Yes, the JW's believe that all of the 1st century Christians were of the 144,000.

Yes, in light of evidence for the the numbers of 1st C Christians, it's ridiculous to believe that 144,000 is literal.

They don't teach that the Governing Body mediate. They use scriptures which refer to the all 'anointed Christians' - the "Faithful slave" - and then with some sleight of hand totally unsupported by Scripture they pretend that the Governing Body somehow 'represents' this 'Slave Class' of all anointed Christians. Which is total hogwash, both Scripturally and practically.

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For your viewing pleasure: I Have No Secrets

by dssynergy in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skvrcnehw6k.

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i couldn't agree more!.

Essan

See, catch an exhausted Pioneer at the right moment, out on the ministry in sub zero temps, and they might just confess how they really feel :)

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WTS vs Quotes: Requiem for a Research Web Site

by Quotes in

in compliance with the terms of a settlement agreement, my information and research web site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca, is now "dark".

the domain "watchtower.ca" has been transferred to wts (i assume they will have it pointing to borg.org watchtower.org asap).

my copies of the site have been destroyed, the files deleted, and my wt library cd has been destroyed, in accordance with the settlement agreement which will afford a "discontinuance" of their suit against me.

Essan

Quotes was / is such a crucially important and powerful site and I presume it still survives, in some form, on the net. Please don't post any links here as I don't want to create a trail so that another mirror can be shut down by the Society. I'm sure I'll be able to to find it.

However, reassurance that mirrors do still exist would be much appreciated.

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anyone else have a word or phrase?

by booby in

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not to be construed as doctrinal in any way but: since jw's counter the trinity doctrine by saying the word trinity cannot be found in the bible i thought it might be fun looking at other examples like:.

governing body.

any one else want to add to the list?.

Essan

Disfellowshipped.

Disasociated.

Blood Transfusion.

Pioneer.

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What's Your Attitude Toward Jehovah's Witnesses?

by minimus in

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do you hate them?

do you feel bad for them?

do you not give a crap about them anymore??

Essan

I was a JW for over 30 years, from birth, so I was one of "them" as much as anyone can be.

I feel sorry for them, because I understand what it is to be one, but I am so repulsed by the mindset of a JW - it's so full of caustic judgement and fear - that I also can't stand them. They are rendered virtually retarded by Society brainwashing.

So, having anything to do with them and having discussions with them, for me, feels rather like trying to help someone who is drowning in a fetid river of manure, yet who fights and insults you as you try to help them, and insists they are "the happiest people in the world".

You want desperately to help them, but damn, up close - they stink! LOL.

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JW Response to NGO/UN info

by Andrew Farrell in

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following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

andrew,.

Essan

Thanks for the welcome.

I've tried it before and it's worked. It's easy for them to make excuses when they can avoid the doctrinal weight that the Society has loaded onto the UN, but that weight comes crashing back down on them when they use the word "Beast".

Even if they refuse to do it, you can tell by the way they flush and get flustered that, even if they won't admit it, you've penetrated their armour and given them something to think about. I suppose it might also be worthwhile taking a letter, like the one in the OP, and copying it, replacing all references to UN with "Wild Beast" or suchlike and sending their own letter back to them, as a more accurate 'mirror' of their hypocritical position.