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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

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  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Essan

  Is it just me, or are 20571pnt428571's posts actually unintelligible?
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  Religious Reform

  by Maze in

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  as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

  the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

  1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

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  TimothyT, your dilemma depends on whether or not you believe that the Bible in it's entirety is the word of God.

  It's not, and doesn't claim to be. The word of God is not a book and you are quite capable of using the spirit to discern which parts of the Bible are in harmony with the word of God and which are not - to 'test the inspired expressions' - because not all originate from the God of Love, as revealed by Jesus.

  Fear tells you to worry that you may be unacceptable. Love tells you that you are accepted and loved.

  If "God is love" then you work out which voice you should listen to.

  In fact, it sounds like you've already done this, but don't yet have the courage of your convictions. You don't need to ask us, because we'll just deluge you with countless different opinions - just like this one
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  GB becoming more angry!

  by truthseeker1969 in

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  flipping through the wt and other artices it strikes me how angry the governing body is becoming and how they are using insulting words to describe anyone who "rocks the boat".. words such as diseased and vindictive are common place now and so petty.. it seems to me that these men may be allowing personal feelings to overcome their spiritual role that they are supposed to live by.. i have been out of the truth for 17 years and it is clear to me that they have lost the plot.. look at the generation flip flop.

  why not just say, "brothers, we have no clue and therfore no clue about anything that has been taught".

  assuming the role of jesus on earth is something no one should do as one look at corinthians clearly states that "gifts of prophesying would be done away with" in other words god said i will tell you not you me.. anyone else feel that the gb is angry?.

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  Essan

  Dogpatch said: "... Jehovah is a twit and has no power "

  LOL OK, I want that on a T-Shirt, car stickers, mugs...the lot.
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Essan

  DJ, you are being absolutely eviscerated - and not for the first time. It's gratifying to watch.

  Ann, magnificent job. DJ needs to be thoroughly engaged and his deceitful tactics exposed every so often. Then he tends to run away and lay low for a while, only coming back when he thinks everyone has forgotten what happened. It's like a periodic exorcism for this forum, it seems.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  I see DjEggnogg is still lying through his teeth and imagining he's getting away with it - now regarding the WT fantasy of 607. I thought about replying in that thread but really, what's the point? I could never do as good a job of thoroughly refuting his ridiculous arguments or of exposing his deception on this subject as the likes of AnnOMaly are already doing. They are absolutely destroying him and he's too senseless/dishonest to even realize it or acknowledge it. True delusion.

  So I thought I'd just resurrect this thread instead so any who haven't read it can see exactly how DJ operates and the levels he'll sink too rather than admit he was wrong about anything. I'd hate for anyone to be bamboozled by his torrent of deceitful crap and outright lies due to their imagining that he must somehow know what he's talking about because he speaks with such confidence (a bit like the WT, who are also full of self-confidence - and crap). This thread should shatter that illusion, if the 607 thread hasn't already.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  I'm new to the whole JW religion - Can someone please explain the basics?

  by Jackals in

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  i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.

  i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.

  could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.

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  Essan

  Maze, why don't you tell him what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society says about homosexuals and homosexuality before you send him to them?

  Then tell him honestly what you think about it.

  Then let him work out if you and they really have his best interests at heart.
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Chrsitians?

  by TimothyT in

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  despite being a jw for 20 years, this has just flashed up into my mind?.

  of course jesus is important in the lives of jw's, but they worship jehovah!.

  hence, are they christians or jehovians?.

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  Essan

  They aren't Christians. They aren't even Jehovians - they are Societians.

  They worship the Society as God, Jehovah is just a cover story.
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  MORE anointed?

  by aristeas in

  1. jw
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  quandry, a veteran member here (since 2006 with 3400+ posts), sent me this thoughtful reply after my first post a few days ago.

  i'm reposting it as a new thread to see if others would like to comment on the point she brings up on the rising number of 'anointed' ones.

  i had mentioned that i've been mainly out of jw contact (officially anywaya few ex-j dubs/inactive ones i have kept in contact with minimally) for over 20 years.

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  Essan

  IMO, the only significance that this rise in the number of those claiming to be anointed has is that it shows that the grip of the GB and the Society is loosening. Fewer people are willing to simply let their experience be determined by what the Society says it must be. That's all. I don't see any further significance beyond that.

  In a different religion where they accept the revolutionary idea that the New Testament actually means what it says for all who read it (an alien idea to JW's), then the vast majority will have the 'anointing' experience, in accord with their expectations, and because it's 'allowed'. The JW's don't because they don't expect it, they don't think the Bible applies to them, and their leaders basically say it's not allowed - so it rarely happens.

  I don't see it as God changing what he's doing, but as fewer JW's letting the GB and the Society stand in their way and prevent a 'spiritual experience'.
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  I'm new to the whole JW religion - Can someone please explain the basics?

  by Jackals in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.

  i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.

  could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.

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  Essan

  Their beliefs are that God will soon destroy 99.9 percent of the worlds population, except JW's (those who work hard).

  So it's be a JW, or die.

  Non JW's are not to be associated with. They believe that the 10 or so men who run the Organization and live in a building in Brooklyn speak for God, as his mouthpiece. JW's are expected to obey them in everything. All other religions are considered Satanic. JW's must die rather than have a blood transfusion.

  In short, it's a cult.

  Run away, while you can (from the JW Org, I mean).