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  WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011

  by undercover in

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  there's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.

  there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.

  how long is a creative day?

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  Lukewarm, a great bunch of quotes, thanks for them!

  When you've dedicated your life to a work, isn't a bummer when you can't even approach that organization for an explanation of their doctrines ... well you can but.........you know!

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  Video on Latest book about JW's. The End is Nigh...Again

  by TheEndIsNigh in

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  my name is gordon smith, (aka douglas lee) and i've just completed and published my latest book.

  it's getting some great reviews and i thought you might like to see a video of what it's about on my blog page.

  i'd also really appreciate your comments, too.

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  Gordon... hmm I seem to be quite taken with your story telling. Brilliant! Perhaps it may be a very good idea to keep on with an audio version of your book.

  I'm a fan.

  clarity
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  Video on Latest book about JW's. The End is Nigh...Again

  by TheEndIsNigh in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my name is gordon smith, (aka douglas lee) and i've just completed and published my latest book.

  it's getting some great reviews and i thought you might like to see a video of what it's about on my blog page.

  i'd also really appreciate your comments, too.

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  Hi Gordon, congratulations on having your book published.

  Watched your video and it sounds very interesting. I wish there were more books out there for the public to see. There were no books to counteract the 'bible study' offers, no second opinion to to caution the unwary, in my day of being converted!

  All the best Gordon

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  This video scared me so so much... it can't be true!!!

  by Butterflyleia85 in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3rphfrwi8.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmc367zors.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt8f8dydmou.

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  Butterfly,

  As to the denials that Russel didn't say this or that .... now if it was his followers who actually said these things, you must realize that Russel was the editor of Zions Watchtower ... he was the author and had full authority as to exactly what information was published. He didn't just pickup the magazine and say "oh look what it says",...he's the one who was writing all this stuff! If his followers were stating certain things about him,... where do you think they learned it from.

  No, the pyramid is not over Russel's grave ... but it is close enough that you could spit over to it! Also don't you find it very condeming that "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" is chiselled onto the sides of it. Notice the Cross & Crown and occult symbols. Those same symbols are emblazened on Russels books and also across the front of a Watchtower Assembly Hall in New York. (sun god Ra) www.jwfiles.com/emblems.htm

  As to history and "old" information being not important, well...how old do you think the Bible is? Is it important? Is that a yes I hear?

  Keep digging

  clarity
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-21-10 WT Study (LEADER CHRIST)

  by blondie in

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  review comments will be headed by comments.

  of the congregation on earth.

  holy spirit...not through the gb?.

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  Blondie, thanks so much for your continued good work.

  Your watchtower reviews keep us on top with what is being dished out to the poor slaves! Funny, the less we see of this stuff, the more we understand what 'they' are really saying.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  2. friends

  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  Berengaria,

  Yes the persecution of the African brothers raged through most of the 1970's and mostly we didn't hear of it. December 1975, it became front page news in Watchtower's literature! FYI, below is the experience of an elder.

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  "We arrived at the Kingdom Hall for service and the same old gang was hanging out and doing the same old thing; Laughing and joking around. Most of the jokes referred to the end of the system and the "We’re still here theme," along with an occasion of, "The years not over, yet. The end will come as a thief in the night.

  I guess I was the only stupid one there, because I deeply believed what the society had prophesied would occur. I kept my questions, doubts, and opinion to myself; after all, I didn’t want to be the only one questioning the Channel of God thus being labeled a doubter. Repeatedly as I waited for the meeting to start my mind played the question, how will the society present this unfulfilled prophecy?

  
  The unfulfilled prophecy embarrassed me, but did not cause me to loose my faith in the Society as being God’s Earthly Organization. I was neither disappointed nor elated over the unfulfilled prophecy. Deep down in my heart, I felt maybe God delayed the end because the work was not complete and this lull in time may give my brother and his family the opportunity to enter into the life saving ark.

  
  The month of December arrived and I thought, God there is only thirty-one days left of this year. I was still clinging to the theory the end was still going to come. I was the one in 1972 who didn’t landscape his yard. What was the use? Fire and brimstones would rearrange it anyway. I was just beginning to settle down from missing Armageddon when a special letter from the Society to all USA congregations came and it told of the blatant persecution, killing, raping and taking the homes of brothers and sisters Malawi.
  
  The Society engaged with the suffering of our brothers once again in Malawi, and a crescendo was written into the act, which was highlighted by a cymbal-clashing announcement in December 1975. It turned our attention from the unfulfilled prophecy of the end of this system, to the renewed issue of Malawi. The December 1975 "Kingdom Ministry" (km 12/75 2) page 2."

  thedreampushers.blogspot.com/2008/10/chapter12-significance-of-1975.html
  
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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  1975 ... I was a mother of 4 children, preparing in every way I could for a event that would descend upon us overnight.

  I could only imagine us being thrown into 'concentration' camps. Tried to make little emergency packs for each of us!! I still carried on with my Bible Studies, teaching them all this 'stuff' and running around the neighborhood with the warning Flyers!!

  1975 ... came and we kept watching.

  The Year was running out ... but by Autumn (Oct?) guess what happened???

  MALAWI! Brothers being unmercifully beaten, raped, sat in the sun for days on end with no water. REMEMBER having your emotions so worked up that you wrote to all those Officials in Malawi, listed in the magazines, to demand our that Brothers be set free!

  REMEMBER? ..well we could think of nothing else but our Sisters being raped with broom handles and we MUST stop it! Write more letters!

  We forgot about Armageddon 1975! We forgot about all the lies that were told us.

  The Society now had a new way to distract us from their Failure.

  And only later do we discover that this disgraceful treatment of our African Brothers was only caused by the watchtower telling them a terrible lie. There was no reason not to buy a card, no reason for this to happen ... except that it sure made most of us forget 1975!!

  Until I and many thousands of others who lived through these years die, they can't cover it up!

  clarity
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  http://www.vimeo.com/16404771

  by mouthy in

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  if you can get the above i love it.i am not clever enough.

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  Thank you Mouthy...

  What a lovely surprise on this otherwise yukky morning!

  Truly, out of the mouths of babes. A beautiful little soul !

  clarity
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  WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.

  there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.

  how long is a creative day?

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  W87 1/1p30 questions from readers

  "...a study of the fulfillment of bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Gen1) is 7000 years long. It is understood that Christ's reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God's 7000 year 'rest day', the last 'day' of the creative week. (Rev 20:6 Gen 2:2-3). Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long."

  I taught this fallacy, for 45 years. I was a liar. I hope all the 'Bible Studies' who's lives were screwed up by this, and many other lies......will forgive me.

  clarity ... of the didn't have a clue class & never ever again class!! grrrrr
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  Feeding the Israelites??

  by LucyA in

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  2. friends

  <!-- .hmmessage p { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:tahoma } -->heres something my jw mother sent me.

  i'm an athiest so i dont take the bible as the truth!

  feeding the israelites.

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  LucyA, great food for thought, really puts things in perspective!

  Still giggling about Blacksheep's "pooping convention"!

  Just shows that taking things at face value can be very misleading. It takes digging deep(pun intended) to see the whole story! Thanks,

  clarity