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  More JW bragging about the Landover, MD. convention. Please have barf bag at the ready before reading

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

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  2. beliefs

  the following e-mail is circulating among jws about the international convention at fedex stadium in landover, md.

  note the all-too-familiar jw claims: everything they do (including the simple act of parking cars) is proof of jehovah'stm blessing, and everything wt did at the convention was the fastest, greatest, best ever.

  oh, and the never-fails-to-get-mentioned alleged 'persecution'/resistance from some unnamed authority who tried to get in watchtower's way and hamper the effort...but jws prevailed anyway (as always):.

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  According to ESPN, the Redskins (who play at FedEx Field) had an average attendance last season of almost 78,000.
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  Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.

  even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.

  indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.

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  Janitor's World is the most apt description of the composition of the average congregation that I have ever heard.
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  DF'd for Blood Transfusion

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, what is the discipline, if any for a blood transfusion?.

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  As I recall, it used to be you were disfellowshipped for it - Judicial Comittee and all. Then, they got in trouble with a court in Europe, and magically it changed to claiming that the person who accepted the transfusion "disassociated" themselves by their actions. The end result is exactly the same, but they can now point to the rules when they get sued and say, "See, we don't take punititive action against our members for accepting blood; they choose to leave on their own accord."
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  org is dying

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

  i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

  the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

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  They can't remove shunning without simultaneously going totally mainstream in their belief system. Disfellowshipping is what keeps everyone in line and following all the rules. Without that effective threat of punishment, the whole thing collapses. You keep all the crazy rules and take away the threat of losing your entire social structure, and there's no reason for anyone to do anything the GB says anymore.
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  What is the Watchtower's(R) Objective with the APATHY TROLLEY(CART)?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wefer to my pwevious fred http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280829/2/i-saw-a-trolley-cart-to-you-cousins-in-the-u-s-a.

  if the wbt$ is losing money and drones then why so much apathy surrounding the trolley/cart?.

  why are they not being more pro-active with this 'urgent, never to be repeated work(tm)?'.

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  I would venture a guess that's it more to renforce things in the minds of the faithful, than for any public "preaching" effort. Already in my network of active witnesses, they're all riled up and excited about how this new method of preaching is proof that "Jehovah is speeding things up."

  It's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, nothing more.
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  Have the DO changes been announced in the congregations yet?

  by Fencing in

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  2. beliefs

  i believe the renaming of the district conventions has already been officially announced, correct?

  how about this latest change regarding dos?.

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  I believe the renaming of the District Conventions has already been officially announced, correct? How about this latest change regarding DOs?
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  What happened to Lars58 and many other Bible Scholars?

  by RottenRiley in

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  i miss seeing lars postings and his bible interpretations, did he get re-instated?.

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  The problem with Lars is that it was impossible to have a good, valuable thread going here about 607 BCE without him immediately jumping in and posting 30,000 word replies filled with insane rantings and nonsense, which would throw the whole discussion off into fantasy land because some people just couldn't resist treating his arguments as serious and engaging with him. Which would spawn additional 30,000 word replies of nonsense and render the thread unreadable. And this literally happened with EVERY THREAD that dealt with WT dates and discussions thereof.
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  What's the next big organizational change you predict could happen?

  by Island Man in

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  yadda yadda 2 predicted a change in the bookstudy arrangement.

  what future changes do you predict could/would happen?.

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  The 144,000 will be changed to a symbolic number. They've already manuvered all the pieces into place to make this change. The "sealing" was no longer completed in 1935 and they've removed any trace of the day-to-day anointed being anywhere in the chain of command of the WTB&TS. Give it a few years, and they can finally put to rest one of the more bizarre and weak doctrines (12 symbolic Israelite tribes of 12,000 symbolic Israelites somehow equals 144,000 literal people?) that the Bible Students came up with.
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  The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

  do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

  elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

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  Is it just me, or is WTWizard going more and more off the rails as time passes?
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  33 percent of Americans reject evolution

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57616373-71/33-percent-of-americans-reject-evolution/.

  that seems to be a disturbingly high number for a western / educated / developed nation.. does this have anything at all to do with america slipping behind in the sciences?

  it seems hard to imagine they could not not be linked somehow.. no surprise that the jesus party (republicans) reject evolution the most.

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  According to a book on American theocracy, fundamentalistism has been a strong feature of American belief since Plymouth Rock. I had to read the book quickly but America has always had its high share of relgious crazies. A lot depends on where you live. Fundamentalists religions are growing in America. He had figures contrasting America with Western Europe.

  America was literally founded and populated by religious crazies. Public schools in the US don't teach the whole story behind the Puritan migration to the US. They always frame it as this poor, opressed group fleeing religious persecution in England and wanting to a create a land with true religious freedom. And they end the story there, where it picks up sometime around the revolution.

  As rebel8 said, Puritans wanted all kinds of freedom of religion, but only for Puritans. And not even for all Puritans. There were Seperatist Puritans, who wanted a clean break with the Church of England, and the non-seperating Puritans who rejected a lot about the Church of England but still wanted to officially be part of it. And they didn't like each other, at all. Rhode Island was founded because the non-seperating Puritans banished a Seperatist Puritan, who was preaching a little too much religious tolerance, from Massachusetts.

  Then you had the Quakers, who the Puritans essentially outlawed in their colonies, and even went so far as to hang them for the crime of being a Quaker in Boston. England actually had to intervene, eventually revoking the Massachusetts colonial chater, and sending in their own governor to lay the law down and force compliance with the Toleration Act, which decriminalized being a non-Anglican Protestant.

  Yes, England had to force the Puritans to stop persecuting other religions. It's quite the opposite of the story we were told in school.