18 years after waco, davidians believe koresh was god.
.. david koresh told his followers years before the men in uniforms arrived that a great apocalyptic battle with babylon was coming and there would be destruction and fire and deaths.. .
So where in the Bible did Koresh get the scriptures that said it was all right to have sex with young girls?
Maybe here?
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.Numbers 31:1-18
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14
This web site is a little crazy/funny at times but heh that makes it interesting.
For now we're kind of in this grey area, half in and half out, as I suspect so many are. It feels a bit hypocritical and I hate that, and one day when our son is older, I know we'll have to make a decision. Until then we're just hanging in there.
By the time your son is older, you hopefully would have faded away from this religion and your family will not see you as apostates or bad associations so as not to shun you. It wont be easy but it is doable, learn the tricks from so many here on the forum :)
former witness taking on watch tower graeme hammond from: sunday herald sun april 10, 201112:00ama former jehovah's witness is to launch a private criminal prosecution against the religion's world headquarters.
his action is in protest at its refusal to require church elders to submit to working with children police checks in victoria.
In a way we're all troubled souls, all damaged goods to a degree and we gain support from one another by being here. I wish Steven well, and I wish people would back off in their denigration and ridicule of him.
interesting.. here is the first thing i've found on the subject, though i haven't read much of it yet.. http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm.
Somebody posted a video (not sure if it was 100% accurate, but interesting none-the-less) that discussed how the Israelites used to have many Gods but for whatever reason, their war God Yahweh won out in the end. Through editing text and writing after the fact in the name of others, it was made to seem as if Yahweh was THE God of the Israelites. Yahweh was actually just one of the Pagan Gods adopted by the Israelites.
i had my "awakening" about a year ago, after spending my entire adolescent life feeling as if i was the only one among my associates with my head screwed on straight.
i was appalled by the nearly universal ignorance and deplorable close-mindedness and stupidty of the jws, the arbitrary dismissal of all scientific evidence as mere "human speculation", etc.
the 2008 change in the definition of the "generation" (at age 18) is what made me seriously commit to an investigation of my long held beliefs, a belief system and world view that had been permanently graphed onto my still developing brain as an infant.. some things the bee hive subscribe to are so irrational, yet i still held firmly to the belief that they must have the "truth", since i still believed in the bible as the inerrant, completely inspired word of god, and jws were the religion that most stringently adhered to actual bible teachings in a majority of cases - ie - no hellfire, no immortal soul, no trinity, etc... after an exhaustive study of the organization's origins in the russell and rutherford eras, and their history of constantly revised doctrines, failed predictions, and absurd beliefs subsequently abandoned and revised only after the passing of time deemed them impossible, i came to the conclusion that they were not "god's channel", and they certainly had no claim to exclusivity as "god's only chosen people who would survive destruction".... so that lead me to the next logical assumption..if not even the jws have the truth, and all the other christian denominations grossly misrepresent biblical teachings and distort the teachings of christ, and compromise on the principles he taughts us to abide by...then god has no earthly organization..he has abandoned us to our own devices...he has left us all alone, and he has left us in this state of affairs for at least the last 2,000 years... after moving beyond the the typical jw dismisal of all science that could possibly contradict the bible and their beliefs, i took up an objective, unbiased, study of science...and what i discovered is that without any presupositional limitations to one's critical analysis of the fact...science's theory of evolution is the best explanation for the diversity and nature of biological life around us...i also discovered that although there is dispute among scientists as to the explanation for evolution or the origin of life itself...that there is no dispute as to the validity of evolution.. the fact that evolution happened and continues to happen before our very eyes is incontrovertible...absolutely indisputable when objectively evaluating all the mountains of evidence..multiple lines of evidence that all converge at one point...common descent..as but one example - the anatomical distinction between homo sapiens sapiens and homo sapien neanderthalis emerge at a certain point in the fossil record..and not coincidentally the mapping of the neanderthal and modern human genomes point to a genetic divergence at the exact same time as the fossil record indicates!.
Thank you so much for your story, which was written extremely well by the way. Your story touched me.
It's been a year for me as well, things are better and other things need time to settle down. So you’re only 19... well well what can I say but 'I ENVY YOU', to find this all out so early is beyond words. I wasted 30 years in the cult (I'm 40). Your whole life awaits you. In years to come you'll look back and realise what a turning point in your life it was to have awakened from this religion! All the best :)
Scroll down midway till you come to the section dealing with literature from the 70s.
Use your bottom scroller to go to the extreme right and locate a publication entitled:
YMSAIGNW
Sorry moggy lover but the book YMSAIGNW is You May Survive Armageddon into God's New World - and is not God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached.
interesting.. here is the first thing i've found on the subject, though i haven't read much of it yet.. http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm.
