I've recently emailed the Sunday program to inquire whether follow up via the S Unthank case would be appropriate.
Excellent idea Sizemik
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i am not sure how old this is, it was just posted on youtube.
the convention shown is from 2002. the former elder starting at around 5:50 in part one really reveals jw practices.
i have only watched part one when i posted this, but will watch all parts.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idyh2toeuvy.
I've recently emailed the Sunday program to inquire whether follow up via the S Unthank case would be appropriate.
Excellent idea Sizemik
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i am not sure how old this is, it was just posted on youtube.
the convention shown is from 2002. the former elder starting at around 5:50 in part one really reveals jw practices.
i have only watched part one when i posted this, but will watch all parts.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idyh2toeuvy.
You can watch the full video here: http://www.vimeo.com/25581273
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free kindle edition of evolution bookby jerry coyne - why evolution is true .
added: tuesday, 06 september 2011 at 8:30 am.
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/642957-free-kindle-edition-of-evolution-book.
No worries guys, I knew there would be people here on JWN that would appreciate the free link :)
BTW: The book hasn't even been published yet, it is to be released on the 19th September 2011 and for $51.
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dad was a great man, great, despite the religion.
he was powerful, tall and intelligent, yet humble and kind.
he was an introvert, and a circuit overseer.
Sorry for your loss my friend.
I hope you are treated with respect at the funeral.
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free kindle edition of evolution bookby jerry coyne - why evolution is true .
added: tuesday, 06 september 2011 at 8:30 am.
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/642957-free-kindle-edition-of-evolution-book.
By JERRY COYNE - WHY EVOLUTION IS TRUE
Added: Tuesday, 06 September 2011 at 8:30 AM
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/642957-free-kindle-edition-of-evolution-book
Eugene V. Koonin’s molecular evolution book, The Logic of Chance: The Nature and Origin of Biological Evolution, is being offered for free on Kindle (it’s normally over $51). If you’re into a book that covers the stuff described below, you have not a penny to lose. These “free Kindle offers” usually last only 24 hours or so.
The Logic of Chance offers a reappraisal and a new synthesis of theories, concepts, and hypotheses on the key aspects of the evolution of life on earth in light of comparative genomics and systems biology. The author presents many specific examples from systems and comparative genomic analysis to begin to build a new, much more detailed, complex, and realistic picture of evolution. The book examines a broad range of topics in evolutionary biology including the inadequacy of natural selection and adaptation as the only or even the main mode of evolution; the key role of horizontal gene transfer in evolution and the consequent overhaul of the Tree of Life concept; the central, underappreciated evolutionary importance of viruses; the origin of eukaryotes as a result of endosymbiosis; the concomitant origin of cells and viruses on the primordial earth; universal dependences between genomic and molecular-phenomic variables; and the evolving landscape of constraints that shape the evolution of genomes and molecular phenomes.
my critique of the october 1, 2011 watchtower article "when was ancient jerusalem destroyed?
http://www.jwstudies.com/critique_of_when_was_ancient_jerusalem_destroyed.pdf .
i am looking forward to hearing of correction or omissions.. please note that this is a large file (almost 7 meg) which takes a while to download and a while to format in a web browser.. the design of the critique allows a single major topic to be individually printed, so that those pages may be handed to an apologist for the watchtower society.
Thanks so much for your great effort Doug
[Downloading it now]
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out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!
on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.
"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.
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http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/09/scientology_gam.php.
(sorry..if someone can copy full article over to this, i would appreciate..
wow,,australia!!
Over the weekend, Melbourne's Herald Sun reported that the Australian government may be about to hand down a decision that will likely bankrupt Scientology in that country.
The church there has been under heavy attack in recent years, led mainly by an independent federal senator, Adelaide's Nick Xenophon, who has pushed for government investigations of Scientology after being presented with evidence of the church's abuse of staff.
And now, the Herald Sun reports, the country's "workplace watchdog" will soon release a report after an 18-month investigation into the way that Scientology's workers, particularly those in the hardcore Sea Org, are paid far less than minimum wage.
Scientology could be forced to pay millions of dollars in back pay, as well as taxes on that pay, and raise every worker to minimum wage into the future. Former chief Scientology spokesman, Mike Rinder, who himself is from Australia, says such a decision will immediately bankrupt the church there.
"It will be an utter disaster, worse than losing tax-exempt status," he says. (The Australian government has also been reviewing Scientology's tax exempt status, and a decision on that could come soon as well.)
If Scientology were hit with a bill for millions in back pay, Rinder says, they could draw from American reserves to pay it off. "They have the money to do it, but what will happen is, everybody from this point forward will have to be paid, and they cannot do that," he says.
"Too much money goes to international management, and they're buying buildings, so they can't use that money for staff. Everything else is more important. And if that happens in Australia. I promise you that will only be the first. The next place that will follow will be Europe. And then ultimately the US will catch up. Some agency in America will grow a pair and actually do something," Rinder added.
Rinder is referring to the real estate buying spree Scientology has been on in the last few years, even though numerous sources show that membership in the organization is falling, and by some estimates totals only about 40,000 people around the world. Despite that, parishioners in America are being pressured to raise money for new facilities, as we saw recently in a rather remarkable video.
I asked Rinder if Scientology losing its tax-exempt status wasn't an even bigger problem because of the way the church has its UK and some Europe and Canadian facilities claiming charity status through an umbrella corporation, the Church of Scientology Religious Education College, Inc. (COSRECI), which is based in Adelaide, South Australia.
Australian journalist Bryan Seymour has reported extensively about that odd arrangement. Here was his original report, from June, 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xNz0rKpJuEM
This past July, Seymour updated the story to show that local Australian authorities still haven't done anything about COSRECI not paying taxes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UJckJj3KFys
But Rinder tells me tax exempt status and COSRECI are far less important than the back pay decision.
He explains that British churches really get around paying taxes not through their status, but by showing losses and debts each year -- so there are no profits to pay taxes on. They do this, he explains, because they send so much of their annual income to Scientology's American management organizations. Until British tax authorities begin to press the church about those payments, they don't need charity status, Rinder says. So even if COSRECI loses charity status in Australia, it won't mean much to the present situation.
It's the potential back pay order which could really be devastating.
"It's real money and real people. And the church made what I consider stupid decisions with the ombudsman during the investigation," he says. "Honestly, it's not realistic to try and pretend that staff workers of the Church of Scientology are volunteers. They work specific hours, they can't just come and go as they please -- that's not a volunteer. They may say they don't want to be paid for their time. But in Australia, if you fall under the definition of a worker, you're entitled to certain things."
But why, I asked him, would a decision like this have an effect in Europe? "The laws with respect to workers' right are much more draconian there than they are in the United States. And there are government entities in Europe that have sort of flailed around with stuff like whether Scientology is a religion or not. But when you get down to something specific like not paying your workers, that's something they can do something with," he answered. "Ultimately, I think the people in the United States will take notice and do something."
Several lawsuits have been filed in recent years here which have raised the issue of Sea Org members working 100-hour weeks for the equivalent of pennies an hour, and under harsh conditions. But they have generated only limited national discussion, and some have been dismissed by courts under the concept that religious organizations can get around labor laws with a "ministerial exception."
I asked Rinder why Australia, of all the places where Scientology has made a decades long and determined push, has suddenly become so hostile to the church.
"They just have a very low tolerance for bullshit. Just as a general rule, Australians tend to be pretty down-to-earth and straightforward and bullshit don't fly," he said.
In the U.S., on the other hand, while the church is mocked, people rarely do anything about its reported abuses. "You see it with everything the church does here, and people are incredulous that they get away with it. The New Yorker parody thing is one thing, and the Squirrel Busters. While people are incredulous here, people don't say anything about it. But in Australia, people will speak up, they're pretty fearless. Look at Bryan Seymour, that guy will take on anyone at any time. So will Nick Xenophon. He feels like everybody has the right to stand up and have the world see what's really going on. I see that much more so there than anywhere else I've been."
awake!
nov 2011 - on page 29 'watching the world' section.. they love pointing out the shortcomings of others but never do they look in the mirror!.
an extensive new survey by the pew forum on religion & public life details statistics on religion in america:http://religions.pewforum.org/reports.
I agree with you ssn587
I see it with some JWs that I know, these young people are simply leaving without even knowing that this cult is a cult. They still believe it's the 'truth' but just don't care anymore.
They just want out!
Like you said, they want FREEDOM!
awake!
nov 2011 - on page 29 'watching the world' section.. they love pointing out the shortcomings of others but never do they look in the mirror!.
an extensive new survey by the pew forum on religion & public life details statistics on religion in america:http://religions.pewforum.org/reports.
AWAKE! Nov 2011 - On page 29 'WATCHING THE WORLD' section.
They Love Pointing Out The Shortcomings Of Others But Never Do They Look In The Mirror!
An extensive new survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life details statistics on religion in America: http://religions.pewforum.org/reports
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