"i believe in one god, and no more; and i hope for happiness beyond this life.
i believe the equality of man, and i believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
but, lest it should be supposed that i believe many other things in addition to these, i shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things i do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
Great post, well written!
I personally know of MS, Elders & R&F members that are part of this class. If only everyone knew what each person was feeling/thinking . . .
I made a video a while back that covers the 'Conscientious Class'
You need to click on 'watch on youtube' as it wont play here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfoOAnN1mc
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
luke 21:8. .
american standard version (asv).
he said, watch out that you dont get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, i am he , and, the time is at hand.
Hey guys, Alice didn't respond. What gives?
Peacedog, your 2 questions were too much for her, so she quit this forum as 'Alice' so as not to answer them . . .
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now that i'm free from the silly jw rules, i am free to go back and enjoy the music that i use to love.. i'm currently listening to metallica's 'the unforgiven'.
i loved it when it come out but was not allowed to own/listen to it.
'the unforgiven' lyrics.
Now that I'm free from the silly JW rules, I am free to go back and enjoy the music that I use to love.
I'm currently listening to Metallica's 'The Unforgiven'
I loved it when it come out but was not allowed to own/listen to it. I would sometimes allow myself to listen to it when it was on the radio... then felt very guilty afterwards... wow the control they had over me, how sad.
Anyway, I know it might be a bit heavy for some but man o man how the lyrics jump out at me now!!! It's like the song is written for ex-JWs (well in my eyes anyway).
I've wasted 30 years in this cult and this song hits me hard, I, like most of you, am still fighting, be it JW family, JW friends or just trying to fit into this world that we have not been a part of.
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'The Unforgiven' Lyrics
New blood joins this earth
And quickly he's subdued
Through constant pained disgrace
The young boy learns their rules
With time the child draws in
This whipping boy done wrong
Deprived of all his thoughts
The young man struggles on and on he's known
A vow unto his own
That never from this day
His will they'll take away-eay
Chorus:
What I've felt
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never be
Never see
Won't see what might have been
What I've felt
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never free
Never me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
They dedicate their lives
To RUNNING all of his
He tries to please THEM all
This bitter man he is
Throughout his life the same
He's battled constantly
This fight he cannot win
A tired man they see no longer cares
The old man then prepares
To die regretfully
That old man here is me
. . .
whoa, whoa
Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
You labeled me
I'll label you
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
You labeled me
I'll label you
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
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just another update on 1 australian senators quest to squash the tax free status of scientology/jw's and other cults:.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/call-for-independent-charities-commission-20100912-1570g.html.
now the election is over, hopefully wont take too long for legislation to pass.
Mark 12:17
Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”. . .
i am trying to find a copy of "let your name be sanctified" preferably in pdf or other.
i am trying to research old books that were made before the 1970's.
i would be grateful if people would be kind enough to share what they have for my research.
For 'What has religion done for mankind' go HERE
For a great list of other titles go here:
http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0
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i am trying to find a copy of "let your name be sanctified" preferably in pdf or other.
i am trying to research old books that were made before the 1970's.
i would be grateful if people would be kind enough to share what they have for my research.
yesterday i got to ask my kids what they thought of the convention they just had.
response was 'really good'.
daughter liked the drama but could not say why or what the lesson was... so i figure she liked it because it was more interesting than the regular talks.
That was awesome OZ!!!
I love the questions you brought up with him, true, to the point and things to make him THINK!
I wish my dad told me these things before I joined this cult ...
One thing I remember from a video that Steve Hassan was in (helping people leave cults) was after you ask a great thinking question, we need to stop and keep quiet (until they break the silence). That silence is THE most crucial thing that needs to be done. He said even if the silence last for 10min not to break it, their brains are ticking away breaking down that wall, making them see/think of something they have never thought of before.
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i was wondering about this.. i'm doing a slow fade, i don't want to lose friends and family - but it's frustrating.
wasting time going to meetings etc when my heart and head isn't in it anymore.
it feels like a game played by everyone elses rules but mine.
I lost patience with 'the fade' after only one meeting!
I was going to fade, but that one meeting made me sick, I left and never returned.
I play by my rules, I don't need to DF or DA myself, That's their dorky rules, I still see my JW friends (ones that haven't dumped me) and I see all my JW family members.
The freedom of still being able to see them and plant little seeds of doubts thrills me, helping them see the BS (little bit at a time) makes me so happy.
I'm not going to leave the people I love in this Cancerous Religion without a fight.
But every person leaves/handles this differently, or gets DF without asking for it.
I would love to DA myself in the future.... once I've helped as many as possible.
I'm considering making a false confession about having committed fornication or something, on the basis that if I ever wanted to, it's easier to come back from a 'sex crime' than apostacy or a DA.
Why would you want to go back???
That blows my mind, once you know it's all BS, why go back and feed on that $hit again?
Just my 2cents . . .
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hey guy's how it going?
my name is alan_56 and i'm new here on the forum!
i've been reading a lot of the information that was posted up here for a while and i truly believe now that jehovah's witnesses do not have the truth, and that i have been living a lie my entire life.
Welcome :)
Oh to be your age and really know the truth about the JW version of the truth would be awesome!
I have lost 30+ years in this cult, like others have said: RUN RUN RUN & don't look back!!!!
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