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How many times did you hear that someone had a great discussion at the door?

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I had a lot of great discussions at the door. None of them were bible related.

That says a lot, doesn't it?

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How many times did you hear that someone had a great discussion at the door?

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I would hear this so often, especially from ubber JWs.

The weird thing was when I was with them at the door when that so called 'great discussion' took place, I knew it was 'great' only in the mind of the JW. They can't seem to correctly assess the house holders reaction/response to their stupid religious cult message.

Below is a great example of one of these "great discussion' that only happened in the mind of the JW.

I bet he returned because he placed a book . . . dumbass

http://tangerinepeach.wordpress.com/2011/11/05/do-the-pajama-shuffle-then-look-embarrassed-when-its-not-just-the-postman/

Do the Pajama Shuffle, Then Look Embarrassed When It’s Not Just the Postman

Tra, la la. Shuffle about in your pajamas all morning, enjoying a Saturday of nothing. Switch on the ol’ PS2 for some good old-fashioned vintage gaming, because you’re a little bit nerdy like that. And finish off that huge bag of cheesy doritos, because it is Saturday, and you feel like stuffing your face. Mmm, crunchy.

Suddenly, the doorbell rings. For a moment, you think, “Ahh to hell with it, I’m in my goddamn pajamas.” Nothing on pterodactyl’s earth will move you from the insanely comfortable spot you’ve made in front of the TV. However, suddenly you remember Boyfriend specifically instructing you to answer the door, because his Mum has ordered something for him on Amazon and you may need to sign for it since he’s working today. With a grudging sigh (and crunching as you remove yourself from a doritos-encrusted bed), you shuffle to the door.

Opening it, bleary-eyed (and crumb-faced), you expect to see the postman, or a similarly-occupied person with some kind of wee navy-blue jacket on, indicating their working position. Instead, a guy with grey hair and a dark suit is standing there, smiling. Then, his expression drops for a moment, faltering at the sight of you, a short woman with bed-hair (and possibly crumb-faced), swamped by a giant red hoodie and shuffling around in tartan pajama bottoms.

“H-Hello,” he begins awkwardly, clearly horrified by the sight before him. “Are you… alright?”

Sighing inwardly and then smiling politely, you nod and mumble something about having a late night, even though that’s a lie, and you’re actually just being a lazy bastard.

“Well,” he continues on, suddenly merry again. “I’m actually handing out free magazines…. I’m a Jehovah’s witness you see, and these magazines are about creationism.” He’s grinning all confidently now, or perhaps he’s just laughing at the sight of your spectacularly stupid hairstyle at the moment. He thrusts a wee booklet entitled, Was Life Created? under your nose. Right now you’re thinking, “Yes, you moron, it was created over billions of years. Go buy the New Scientist or something if you are in doubt over fossils.”

Instead, however, since being rude isn’t really your schtick, you smile politely again. “Oh, really,” you interject, as he talks a little bit about what is in the magazine. You take it from him and stare dubiously at the cover, which is a picture of some palm-trees and then an under-the-ocean-view, both of which has been formed/been around for billions of years or whatever. Once you begin to wonder where the hell the postman has gone and think about telling this guy you’re not interested, suddenly a thought comes to mind. Jehovah’s Witnesses are all about suffering, so surely telling them to get lost at the door is just going to make them feel like they’ve achieved more godliness-points. Instead, you think, I’ll continue being polite so this guy can’t whine about stuff and feel all smug.

“Are you religious?” Mr Jehovah’s Witness asks all of a sudden. Yes, I’m a Satanist, now excuse me while I go sacrifice a possum, or whatever.

“Uh, my father’s a minister….so….” you mumble, vaguely explaining how you know both sides of the argument, and in an even quieter voice how you don’t really believe that stuff anyway. Either having not heard you, or, even more likely, ignoring you, he cheerfully concludes that you must have a bible in your flat.

“Atheists believe there was a big bang-” (he waves his hands around for suitable emphasis) “-and that all life was suddenly created over many years.” Before you can ask if it’s more likely that everything suddenly just sprang to life, fully-formed, a few thousand years ago, he says, “the bible holds the truth.” then, he suddenly pauses, and grudgingly adds, “at least, that’s what I believe…”

“Imagine you have a tray, and you put eggs, raisins, flour, sugar… blah blah blah-” (you’ve actually started tuning out now, because you’re trying not laugh in his face) “- what could you make with that?”

Suddenly brought back from your own private joke with yourself, you stammer, “Uh, well pretty much anything you could bake involves-”

“RIGHT! A cake!” he says triumphantly, waving his hands around again. “But if you throw all those ingredients in the air, you WON’T suddenly get a cake, will you???”

Uh, well if you did it really slowly, and eventually added an oven to bake it with, then yes, you would get a cake, you retard. But obviously, this minor detail has been ignored when coming up with this analogy. Instead you shrug and say, “I guess,” because, yes, you certainly won’t get a cake by randomly throwing things towards the ceiling.

Mr Jehovah’s Witness goes on, “If you want to build a bike, you can’t just get all the parts, put them in a bath, get a wooden spoon and mix them around. THAT won’t give you a bike, will it?”

No, because the parts of a bike are man-made anyway, so this is another stupid analogy, and anyway, why a wooden spoon? And a bath? Who the fuck builds a bike in the bath?? Just as you are starting to worry you’re going to be stuck talking to this weirdo instead of enjoying videogames all day, he smiles satisfactorily and says, “right. It won’t make a bike. And even though it’s a little different from the world, it’s a comparison a lot of people can understand easier.” I assume he’s been trying to explain this to people who have just awoken from electric shock therapy, lobotomies or indeed having half their brains removed.

“It’s been nice talking to someone about this, normally people aren’t interested,” he says after like 10 minutes, genuinely looking grateful despite minimal words exchanged on your part. “Please read this magazine and perhaps you will learn something more.” he bids you farewell and you close the door, promptly starting to giggle to yourself because this guy was insane.

So, let’s look at this book, shall we?

“Will you trust the claims of those who say that there is no intelligent Creator and that the Bible is unreliable?” (yes.) ” Or will you examine what the Bible actually says?” (I have done that, actually.) “Which teachings are worthy of your trust, your faith: those of the Bible or those of evolutionists? (hebrews 11:1)” (um, evolutionists.) ‘Why not review the facts?” (I have, and the facts have led me to the fucking evolutionists, you stupid-head.)

Why not indeed??? Well, because it’s moronic. But whatever. Tune in soon for a hilarious analysis of the creationist magazine.

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For AUSTRALIAN'S & the leadership challenge tomorrow

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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?

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i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.

my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.

bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.

3Mozzies

Am I the only one that cannot view the bottom portion of page 10? Mozzies comment is the last one I get, i don't even get the blank box to submit a response. But so far I'm getting all of page 11

Works fine in Firefox but I see the same problem (as quoted above) if I use Windows Explorer.

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STEVEN UNTHANK... Please come answer some questions...

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1.- ?.

2.- ?.

i think those are fair questions..... .

3Mozzies

If you go to https://dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au/search-court-lists.aspx? and run a search for the case numbers at Latrobe Valley, each time there are no results. If the cases are real, I can't find any reference to them on any genuine court or government website yet.

When seaching on that site, only cases with a hearing date within six months will be returned. So any old cases, yesterday and beyond will NOT show up. You need to email them for information on older cases.

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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?

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i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.

my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.

bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.

3Mozzies

My two cents...

(1) I have personally spoken to the Herald Sun reporter (face to face here in Melbourne) and I can honestly say that this story is true. He spoke to the Watchtower's Australian lawyer, the Victorian Police ... etc to confirm the story before it was printed. He would lose his job if this story was a scam.

(2) I still have a relative who is an elder here in Melbourne (Victoria) and he has received an application form to apply for the 'Working With Children' check because of the Steven Unthank’s court proceedings.

Scam my ass!

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Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses to Escape Judgment for Crimes Against the Children?

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from jw newshttp://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/governing-body-of-jehovahs-witnesses-to-escape-judgment-for-crimes/.

governing body of jehovahs witnesses to escape judgment for crimes against the children?february 20, 2012 .

corporate accused: watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, inc.. case no.

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From JW NEWShttp://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/governing-body-of-jehovahs-witnesses-to-escape-judgment-for-crimes/

Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses to Escape Judgment for Crimes Against the Children?

February 20, 2012

www.jwnews.net

article by Steven Unthank

February 20, 2012

Victoria, AUSTRALIA

Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses to Escape Judgement for Crimes Against the Children?

Suffer little children–forbid them not!

Today, Monday, 20 February, 2012, I was formally notified in writing by letter that, Mr John Chapman SC, the Director of Public Prosecutions (the Crown), intends to exercise his power to take over all 5 criminal prosecution cases…

“for the purpose of discontinuing them.”

One of the 2 reasons given was that, in the opinion of the Director of Public Prosecutions, the prosecution of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Watch Tower Society, and others, over criminal breaches of mandatory child protection laws was…

“not in the public interest.”

At 2.00 pm today I emailed a letter to the Director of Public Prosecution in response to his written letter. My entire unedited letter appears as follows…

[Please note: all the alleged rapes and child abuse allegations mentioned in the following letter have been reported by myself and also by Latrobe Regional Hospital to Victoria Police. For reasons unexplained all investigations are currently on hold.]

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20 February 2012

John Chapman SC
Director of Public Prosecutions

565 Lonsdale Street
Melbourne
Victoria 3000

By email: [email protected]

Dear Sir,

Re: Private Criminal Prosecution by Steven Unthank

Corporate Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
Case No.: B12083527

Corporate Accused: FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE
Case No.: B12083367

Corporate Accused: CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
Case No.: B12083108

Corporate Accused: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA, INC.
Case No.: B12083833

WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA
Case No.: B12082206

This letter is to acknowledge receipt today of your letter dated 17 February 2012 (Your Ref: 2011-00944) and your written notification that “should the charges in respect of the five accused remain on foot as of Tuesday 21st February” then you will exercise your power under section 22(1)(b)(ii) of the Public Prosecutions Act 1994 (Vic) to “take over the prosecutions for the purpose of discontinuing them.”

The right of a private individual to institute a prosecution for a breach of the law has been said to be “a valuable constitutional safeguard against inertia or partiality on the part of authority” (per Lord Wilberforce in Gouriet –v- Union of Post Office Workers [1978] AC 435 at 477).

The action taken by myself in bringing criminal charges against the above corporate accused was initiated in December 2010 when I made personal application to the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria. This course of action taken by myself on behalf of the community followed 2 years and 6 months of “inertia” by Victoria Police, the Child Safety Commissioner, the Department of Justice, and the State Government of Victoria.

In June 2011 I was granted permission to bring private criminal charges against the above corporate accused in relation to breaches of the Working with Children Act 2005 section 35(1)(a)(b)(c). The “Charge-Sheet And Summons (Corporate Accused)” for each of the above corporate accused was filed in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria on 26 July 2011. The filing fees were paid for by a number

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of children within the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It was actually these young children who engaged my services for the purpose of protecting themselves from those who hold little or no regard in assisting in protecting these children “from sexual or physical harm by ensuring that people who work with, or care for, them have their suitability to do so checked by a government body.” Working with Children Act 2005 section 1(1).

Among the group of children who engaged my services and paid for the filing fees from their pocket money including 2 young Jehovah’s Witness children from the Traralgon Congregation who had been raped by a fellow member of the religion. Recently the Latrobe Regional Hospital called in Victoria Police to investigate the abuse of a 3rd child from the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. A Jehovah’s Witness elder, from the Traralgon Congregation was caught in a private room of the hospital standing over this young girl. The girl was completely naked. This elder had gained unauthorised access to the paediatric ward of the hospital. He was not invited by the hospital or the parents. In fact the parents had written to the church instructing them that this elder was to have no contact with their child as the parents were of the opinion that the elder was a child abuser.

Another child who helped pay for the filing fees and had asked me to help him in this matter did so because many years ago his younger sister was raped by a member of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses and he, as a very young boy, was powerless to prevent it. He witnessed the rape. During the rape the rapist inserted Lego blocks and figurines into his little sister’s vagina. This young boy froze in fear. Later he had to remove the Lego’s. The rapist remains a ‘fine upstanding’ member of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses and regularly gives talks from the church podium in his local Jehovah’s Witness congregation, even though he confessed to the rapes to a number of Jehovah’s Witness ministers.

I promised these children that I would do everything in my power to protect them and to see that they get justice, not just for the rapes and abuse, but justice against those who showed no regard for their sexual or physical safety and expressed this in action by refusing to comply with the Working with Children Act 2005.

Over the days, weeks, months, and years to come, I can proudly walk within the Victorian community knowing that I did everything within my power and within my ability to protect these children and to protect the community. I will hold me head high.

On the other hand, you have failed to protect these children, you have failed to serve justice, and you have failed to serve the community. The parents of these children have asked me to convey to you their abhorrence and outright disgust in you as a human being and as a public official because you never lifted your finger to help these children nor to serve the community. They have also asked me to inform you that they demand you immediate resignation as a violator of the human rights of these children.

Our Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 states in section 8:

(1) Every person has the right to recognition as a person before the law.
(3) Every person is equal before the law and is entitled to the equal protection of the law.

In section 17 of the Charter it states in law:

17. Protection of families and children

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(1) Families are the fundamental group unit of society and are entitled to be protected by society and the state.

(2) Every child has the right, without discrimination, to such protection as is in his or her best interest and is needed by him or her by reason of being a child.

In your letter you stated that “on an evidentiary level, there is no reasonable prospect of conviction in relation to these offences.” My understanding, after an extensive search at the Supreme Court Library in Melbourne, is that there has never been a prosecution carried out in relation “to these offences.” There is enough evidence, namely, all the children and all the parents and the fact that the church elders (“ministers of religion”) did not have an Assessment Notice as required by the Working with Children Act 2005 for the entire time period referred to in the charges sheets.

In your letter you stated a second and final reason for discontinuing the prosecution “it is not in the public interest.” Over 780,000 individual members of the public, in addition to thousands of clubs, charities, schools, organisations and religions, all complied with the Working with Children Act 2005. Only one organisation, that we know of, refused to comply. This thus provides irrefutable evidence that prosecution is in the best interest of the public.

The prosecution is not in the best interest of Victoria Police as such a prosecution would prove an embarrassment to the Chief Commissioner and Victoria Police as they failed to enforce the law. The prosecution is also not in the best interest of the Department of Justice, nor the Child Safety Commissioner, nor the current State Government, nor the previous State Government, as none of these took any action to protect the children or to enforce child protection laws.

To prosecute those who break child protection laws is in the best interest of the public and the community. Criminal breaches of child protection laws are of considerable public concern. To not prosecute is to weaken the law and undermine community harmony and public confidence in the administration of justice. The need for deterrence is paramount.

On the 8th November 2011, I lodged with the Magistrates’ Court a “Charge Sheet And Warrant To Arrest” in relation to the following 7 individuals:

GEOFFREY JACKSON (Australian)
SAMUEL HERD (American)
GERRIT LOSCH (Austrian)
M. STEPHEN LETT (American)
DAVID H. SPLANE (Canadian)
ANTHONY MORRIS (American)
GUY H. PIERCE (American)

The above are the 7 members of the GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES (unincorporated body) and are also the 7 members of the FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE (unincorporated body). They also comprise the main individuals who make up the committee of management for the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES (unincorporated body).

The application for arrest warrants was due process in response to their failure to attend court in relation to the charges brought against them and under the proviso of section 45 (1)(a) of the Working with Children Act 2005.

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The application was referred by the senior registrar of the Magistrates’ Court at Latrobe Valley to the Chief Magistrate for comment. Subsequently I was notified that I have been granted to make application to the sitting Magistrate for a decision as to issuing in relation to each of the arrest warrants.

This I intend to do prior to your taking “over these prosecutions for the purpose of discontinuing them.” My reasons for this are purely due process of the law. I have included a copy of each of the arrest warrants for your perusal. I ask for your support.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Steven Unthank
Acting Prosecutor

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COURT APPEARANCE SUMMARY

On Friday, 12 August, 2011, each of the Corporate Accused were served with a Summons to appear in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria at Latrobe Valley. Affidavits of service were lodge with the court.

The following are for your records on how each of the accused responded to the Summons and to the Charges:

Corporate Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
Case No.: B12083527