Posts by TheLoveDoctor

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Need help combatting disfellowshipping policy scripturally

by stuckinlimbo in

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friends

hi i need some help to show that the scriptures used to uphold the disfellowshipping policy are actually only meant to apply to those that deny the christ blah blah.

not for me but someone close to me.

parents have disowned her.

TheLoveDoctor

now we not disfellowshiped or dissasociated we're no longer a Jehovah's Witness

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Interesting truth

by TheLoveDoctor in

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it-2pp.1130-1131truth the hebrew term 'emeth, often rendered truth, may designate that which is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, true, or established as fact.

(ex 18:21; 34:6; de 13:14; 17:4; 22:20; jos 2:12; 2ch 18:15; 31:20; ne 7:2; 9:33; es 9:30; ps 15:2; ec 12:10; jer 9:5) the greek word aletheia stands in contrast with falsehood or unrighteousness and denotes that which conforms to fact or to what is right and proper.

(mr 5:33; 12:32; lu 4:25; joh 3:21; ro 2:8; 1co 13:6; php 1:18; 2th 2:10, 12; 1jo 1:6, 8; 2:4, 21) a number of other original-language expressions can, depending upon the context, also be translated truth.. .

TheLoveDoctor

it-2pp.1130-1131Truth The Hebrew term 'emeth′, often rendered “truth,” may designate that which is firm, trustworthy, stable, faithful, true, or established as fact. (Ex 18:21; 34:6; De 13:14; 17:4; 22:20; Jos 2:12; 2Ch 18:15; 31:20; Ne 7:2; 9:33; Es 9:30; Ps 15:2; Ec 12:10; Jer 9:5) The Greek word a·le′thei·a stands in contrast with falsehood or unrighteousness and denotes that which conforms to fact or to what is right and proper. (Mr 5:33; 12:32; Lu 4:25; Joh 3:21; Ro 2:8; 1Co 13:6; Php 1:18; 2Th 2:10, 12; 1Jo 1:6, 8; 2:4, 21) A number of other original-language expressions can, depending upon the context, also be translated “truth.”

Jehovah,

“The

SpiritoftheTruth.” The spirit that proceeds from Jehovah God is pure and holy. It is “the spirit of the truth.” (Joh 14:17; 15:26) Jesus Christ told his disciples: “I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming.”—Joh 16:12, 13.

God’s spirit would teach them everything they needed to know to carry out their work, recalling and opening up to their understanding things they had previously heard from Jesus but had not understood. (Joh 14:26) God’s spirit would also declare to them “the things coming.” This could include bringing to light the significance of Jesus’ death and resurrection, as these events were then yet future and were among the things that his disciples did not understand. (Mt 16:21-23; Lu 24:6-8, 19-27; Joh 2:19-22; 12:14-16; 20:9) Of course, God’s spirit later also enabled Christ’s followers to foretell future happenings. (Ac 11:28; 20:29, 30; 21:11; 1Ti 4:1-3) Being “the spirit of the truth,” God’s holy spirit could never be the source of error but would protect Christ’s followers from doctrinal x who departs from the basic teachings of Christianity, either by conducting himself improperly or by advocating false doctrine, is no longer “walking” in the truth. This was the situation of those who insisted that circumcision was necessary in order for one to gain salvation.

my comment ...the what about the shit they teach. also since the spirit of truth makes know mistakes then the holy spirit that the gb and anyof us isnt so holy is it, they're channeling the wrong channel, try station 2.5

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DF Question

by TheLoveDoctor in

if 1 elder definetly knows how i feel of governing body and some of thier doctrine, he knows as i admitted viewing and researching apostate liturate can they still disfellowship me if i refuse to meet?

right now the 1 brother would talk to the body they would need 2 witneses or one more brother to determine if thier should be a jc yet i know and they know it would be obviouse for the need for one, could the just form one and if i refuse to meet could they df me anyway?.

TheLoveDoctor

Update

Sundays meeting I was asked to meet with two elders, my thoughts....do they want to help me get past my doupts or are they trying for that 2nd witness. So I said not tonight probably tuesday but I wont cause thiers a wedding saturday that is someone in my cong. Iv known for years and plan to go who knows what they'll try if the just view me as an appostate.

I may just try to avoid meeting with them and skip meetings left and right. I would do this only to make life eisier on my family and many I care about at the hall. However if they make it to difficult ILL meet and try to say im hadling matters myself, if that dont work Ill Be DF'd and deal with it cause I cant live a lie.

My concern is that this does not ruin my marriage cause then I will be dissgruntled and not really shure what I'll do but it will be worse for the wts than for me and the ones I love, I'd cause more dammage for them.

who knows

by TheLoveDoctor in

who know the link to the utube video of god in front of a computer deciding if sondom and gamora woud be ressurected.

thanks in advaance.

TheLoveDoctor

who know the link to the utube video of god in front of a computer deciding if sondom and gamora woud be ressurected. thanks in advaance

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After 20 years of a troubled conscience, former J.W. woman speaks up about a horrible cover up in her cong.

by koolaid-man in

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friends

i received a very disturbing e-mail this week from a former jehovah's witness who only now after 20 years wants to come forward and tell her story of a horrible child sexual molestation in her congregation.

she was told to shut up and never say a thing to anyone about what she knew.

a jehovah's witness man in her congregation was abusing his retarted daughter.

TheLoveDoctor

hey Koolaid

u probably have some good in u but after blindly trustin in the truth and seeing the way u go about what u do. I dont-wont bother to try to trust u cause in the 4 short months u'v given me no reason to. Your like the boy who cried woolf and It seems like your going in the way of the ones u wanna bring down, u hate your enemy so much u dont realize Your become like them. Im sorry for the strong language but wake up!!!!!!

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It is all about counting hours.

by Sour Grapes in

the april km in the "question box" ask "how long should we.

study with a progressive bible student?".

it says that there are "two publications that need to be completed.

TheLoveDoctor

Hers a point, when I pioneered and saw others I was extra honest there was alot of wasted time at the group, trying to get to territory we all just were enjoying our association. However pioneers would call the same study just to see if their having it counting their time early, sometime teaching others that the whole groups time was started, lots of empty time, get to the territory and sometimes it could take 20-25 min then very little time later someone had to go to the bathroom. most of the time the group left, your allowed to keep time going for the bathroom, grab coffee 15 min times 4. Later as i felt guilty and was an elder and felt I must set the lead i try to find a way that only one or to leave territory. this made me feel like i was the service Nazi. When I worked hard to get my time early in year i could do anywhere between 70-120 hours depending on how hard and organized i wanted to be and i was. now no exaggeration here that 70-120 hours I felt others would have had 90-140 cause i just saw so much wast of time that i could not feel comfortable reporting.

Now we pioneer or do service cause we love others and want to help them. So especially pioneers wanted to have their time in before summer or very close so the could have the summer off, not have to be out in the heat. Then winters sucked, stuck in car riding around wasting gas, most not at home so one could wait for warmer weather, yet few were out during the summer even though householders were always busier summer i found to be the best time and people were relatively in a good mood. Service time is a joke and takes away from any real love or pure motive. The society uses it to gage things, MONEY, PLACEMENTS , WERE WE CAN HELP U TO BE A BETTER SALESMEN FOR THE TRUTH. Cause no matter what u think, the number of people we get involved with us baptised or not ======MONEY MONEY. this ORGAIZATION HAS GROWN IN THE WORLD OF CORPRATE BULL AN HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO BE CORRUPT SOMEWERE. Although some are honest hearted an cant see scope, the size of it all, it to much to big and its not simple

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Just Tell Us In Plain English

by headisspinning in

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friends

if god has instructions for sincere people why can't he just tell us what they are in plain language?.

he could do that and some people would fall in line and others wouldn't.. if i was god, that's what i would do.. as a parent, that's what i do with my kids.. i am so tired of all the guesswork..

TheLoveDoctor

we all got it, LOVE IS IT, LOVE IS THE WAY, we wont do it right all the time nor will any of us be perfect at it, it doesn't me lovey gushy stuff love is simple its human kindness, a smile, holding open the door, kind words, Really listening, sometimes it will require more when its neeaded, love is not stupid, to have and give and be love one does not have to be walked on, though manny times it is. also there is a fine definition of it in Corinthians. The more we allow it to grow in us, and spread it the world will IT WILL BECOME A BETTER PLACE.

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DF Question

by TheLoveDoctor in

if 1 elder definetly knows how i feel of governing body and some of thier doctrine, he knows as i admitted viewing and researching apostate liturate can they still disfellowship me if i refuse to meet?

right now the 1 brother would talk to the body they would need 2 witneses or one more brother to determine if thier should be a jc yet i know and they know it would be obviouse for the need for one, could the just form one and if i refuse to meet could they df me anyway?.

TheLoveDoctor

Im not affraid at all, Im ready for anything cause the same confidece I had as a believing witness is the same confidece I have know, just wanted to know. Because i love the friends and love association i believe Ill be leaving 1 way or another cause Im no fake and I can and will tell my family that.

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DF Question

by TheLoveDoctor in

if 1 elder definetly knows how i feel of governing body and some of thier doctrine, he knows as i admitted viewing and researching apostate liturate can they still disfellowship me if i refuse to meet?

right now the 1 brother would talk to the body they would need 2 witneses or one more brother to determine if thier should be a jc yet i know and they know it would be obviouse for the need for one, could the just form one and if i refuse to meet could they df me anyway?.

TheLoveDoctor

If 1 elder definetly knows how I feel of governing body and some of thier doctrine, he knows as I admitted viewing and researching apostate liturate can they still disfellowship me if i refuse to meet? right now the 1 brother would talk to the body they would need 2 witneses or one more brother to determine if thier should be a Jc yet I know and they know it would be obviouse for the need for one, could the just form one and if i refuse to meet could they df me anyway?

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ex-pioneer/ex-elder reveals his disappointment/disbelief in wt doctrine to elder/friend?

by TheLoveDoctor in

yesterday i spoke with an elder i worked closely with just up to a year and a half ago for 3.75hrs about doctrine, gb, teachings that jehovah/jesus/anointed/holy spirit aren't working to well and have been giving us mixed signals (evidently?

) ha ha evidently get it!!!

ge apparently everyone is getting brighter as the day draws near.. since ive been inactive 3 months coming from the so called top 2.5 years ago pioneering and eldering and never missing meetings, i don't believe i could fade and live a lie.

TheLoveDoctor

Thank again for the comments