Posts by Vanderhoven7

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Aqwsed

Do you believe the Catholic Church's plan of salvation includes Protestant Trinitarians who reject

a.the authority of the Catholic Church and it's Magisterium

b. Apostolic succession

c. Transubstantiation

c. the Sacrament of Confession

d. Veneration of and prayer to Mary

e. Immaculate Conception of Mary

f. the sinlessness of Mary

g. the perpetual virginity of Mary

h. the Assumption of Mary

i. Veneration of and prayer to Saints

j. Purgatory

Or are Protestants not really saved or sanctified as true Christians according to the Church's understanding?

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@SB

Imagine 8 million JWs do not require Christ's blood for the forgiveness of sin, nor Christ's righteousness imputed to them.

"It follows that all whose destiny is the earth, the foregoing ones mentioned, would have no need of having righteousness imputed to them.

After such ones achieve actual perfection at the end of the Millennium and then pass a final test, they will be in a position to be declared righteous for everlasting human life.” WT Dec 15, 1985 p.30

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Rattigan350

The religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not biblical. Every doctrine which is unique to their religion is not found in the Bible.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Aqwsed

"The soldier on the Roman frontier, the Chinaman of the twelfth century, the Bedouin infant who dies in the cradle do not disprove Christ’s sentence; rather, the Holy Spirit, “who blows where He wills,” can interiorly move such souls at the moment of conscience to accept the light available to them and, if they persevere in that obedience, dispose them for the final illumination by which Christ makes Himself known. When that happens—whether in the last heartbeat of earthly life or in a secret inspiration long before—the soul no longer stands in the state described in John 8:24, because the very grace that binds it to Christ also infuses the theological virtue of faith."

Absolute sophistry my friend! Muslims, no matter what inclinations they may have, do not believe:

a. Jesus is the Son of God.

b. Jesus died on the cross for our sins

c. Jesus rose again from the dead for our justification.

You offer false hope based on the sentiments of men.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.Jn.3:36

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. I Jn.5:11-12

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

Thanks Sea Breeze for those revealing quotations!

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Aqwsed

"Within that framework it is possible for a Muslim to be saved, not because Islam possesses a parallel salvific apparatus, nor because its denial of the Trinity is rendered harmless, but because the Holy Spirit can translate the fragmentary shoots of natural religion—fear of the Creator, sorrow for sin, rudimentary trust in divine mercy—into supernatural virtues that secretly bind the soul to Christ."

That's just the word of men. Here is what Jesus says:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24

Jesus did not say you don't have to believe I am the Son of God, that I died for your sins and that I rose again for your justification as long as you have parallel salvific apparatus.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@ Aqwsed

It may not contradict Catholic teaching, but aren't Muslims going to burn in hell according to the Catholic Church?

So the Pope should be calling for nothing less than repentance and conversion..

https://youtu.be/bqN6BcTg18A?si=9jzyuhhnJ5BVSj8Y

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@ Aqwsed

Sorry! The pope and the Catholic Church send the wrong message to Muslims.

https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1985/august/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19850819_giovani-stadio-casablanca.html

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

Would you agree if Second Vatican Council had declared that Jehovah's Witnesses “together with us adore the one, merciful God”?

In their favour at least, neither Muslims nor Jehovah's Witnesses would ever think to offer such words of praise or appeasement to Catholics.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Aqwsed

Thank you for your lengthy response but it seems that the Catholics on the forum gave the impression that Muslims and their worship are acceptable to God.

"When the Second Vatican Council declared that Muslims “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen Gentium 16; Nostra Aetate 3) it was not capitulating to religious indifferentism, nor did it invent a new theology."

Does the Second Vatican Council make it clear to Muslims that there is no salvation period outside the Church and plainly state that monotheists who reject the Trinity and other Catholic dogma are dammed?