Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Do you believe in a Rapture that the Churches teach instead of living on earth forever

by Alex Williams in

its taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .

but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.

why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.

Vanderhoven7

As I see it the distinction as to who will be with Christ in heaven and those who will have opportunity to live on the new earth is revealed in John 5:28-29

"Do not be amazed at this, for the time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. "

During the millennial judgement those of the first resurrection rule with Christ with a rod of iron over the nations bringing all into sanctification. Then heaven will descend to earth, Israel restored and mankind delivered to perfection.

That's the way i see it.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

Vanderhoven7

Johnamos

Now that makes sense. Thank you!

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Questions About the Watchtower's View on Blood Transfusions.

by Pallbearer in

i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.

i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?

and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.

Vanderhoven7

The WTS blood policies are not scriptural and defy logic.

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If You Could Pick Just One Title Of A Song That Would Describe Your Life

by The Bethelite in

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what would it be?.

mine would be "rocket man" by elton john.

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Vanderhoven7

Amazing Grace

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Brothers Saying PIMO Things In Talks

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

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i've been paying very close attention to talks ever since waking up.

i probably pay more attention now than i ever did while i was sleeping.

anyway, i think there are a lot of brothers who are awake, and they try their best to go against the grain while up on that stage.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Ronin

Just curious...

As a current elder, are you not concerned that you might be recognized by your picture or is that not you?

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Genuine question

by The Fall Guy in

are we about to experience very dire problems regarding male/female toilets?.

the reason i ask this question is that a very good friend (catholic, not jw) has just returned from ny and told me that he saw a public toilet which said the toilets were gender neutral and if you felt more female but you were a guy, then use the female loo, and vice versa for women who felt like a guy.

is this going to give free licence to pervs/voyeurs?

Vanderhoven7

I noticed that at Tim Hortons restaurants they have a spacious 3rd single unit washroom for the handicapped and families. They just need to add the term UNI to that list and no one need be offended or anxious.

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Blew it this morning with 4 JWs

by Vanderhoven7 in

so i decided to go hunting for jws this morning.

walked to the end of my driveway and who should be approaching...but 2 ladies, one old (dianne) and one younger both with watchtower mags in hand.

dianne shared how the world was under the control of satan etc.

Vanderhoven7

@Jazzbo yes...exactly what don't want to do. Thanks for the reminder.

@JP Love the analogy. Made me chuckle.

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A look at the sins of the Governing Body members of the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Finkelstein in

the leaders of the jws and the ibsa had their own unique inherent sins ingrained in their teachings and established doctrines.. c t russell taught and preached pyramidology to establish the date of jesus's return and subsequent armageddon.

this fixated date setting carried over even when he passed on and the following leaders of the wts propagated new dates such as 1925, 1975 etc.

it would appear the leaders of the wts created more relevance and importance toward themselves than even jesus and his spoken words of direction and how to be one his chosen select.. it would appear also that the leaders of the wts/jws were more involved in creating their own power and money through the organization that they created in their endeavor as proliferating literature charlatans.. the doctrinal mistakes that have come out of these men are many, from setting dates of christ's return, to mistakes on blood transfusions, memorial mistakes, encouraging and influencing children to get baptized, over use of disfellowshiping , sometimes done so to protect their wrongly devised doctrines.

Vanderhoven7

Adding to the Bible- eg. Inserting the name of Jehovah 237 times to the New Testament.

Adding submission to the GB/FDS to the salvation formula.

Changing the nature of Christian salvation from eternal spiritual salvation to temporary physical survival.

Denying the benefits of the gospel to 99 percent of believers.i.e., etetnal life, heavenly hope, Spirit begettal, righteousness, justification etc.

Altering the means if salvation. Denegrating faith by Adding works to the salvation formula. Denying that the blood of Christ is sufficient to cleanse from all sin.

Denying the mediatorship role of the Lord to most Christians.

The list goes on how they have changed the gospel of Christ and judged all non JW Christian's to be worthy of eternal destruction.

The list goes on.

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Blew it this morning with 4 JWs

by Vanderhoven7 in

so i decided to go hunting for jws this morning.

walked to the end of my driveway and who should be approaching...but 2 ladies, one old (dianne) and one younger both with watchtower mags in hand.

dianne shared how the world was under the control of satan etc.

Vanderhoven7

Thank you to everyone who responded to my confession with support and/or advice.

@Fink That certainly is my goal...and I do believe that asking them to support their extra-biblical teachings is the way to go. I just have to be considerably less aggressive in my approach.

@Sparky Thank you for your encouragement. And hopefully Jon Kabat-Zinn's quote applies in yours truly's case.

@ Ding Thanks....definitely in this case the good cop was more effective than the bad cop today.

@ Fall Guy Exactly. I was clearly trying to confront and force them to defend their extra-biblical teachings...which proved totally fruitless. A learning experience for me. Seems like I have that snarling brain dog as well.

@ Diogenesister "I find the most effective method is to drop one, or at most two, thoughts/questions/statements of fact. That way they don't get overwhelmed & can remember what you've said later on when they calm down."

Very good point Gal; one I will aim to follow.

@NewSheep You are absolutely right about no protection needed. My son is on fire and out to win souls to Christ.

@ Ashley Yes, empathy is exactly what was missing on my part today

@ Terry Thanks for your honesty and vulnerability. You are absolutely right.

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Blew it this morning with 4 JWs

by Vanderhoven7 in

so i decided to go hunting for jws this morning.

walked to the end of my driveway and who should be approaching...but 2 ladies, one old (dianne) and one younger both with watchtower mags in hand.

dianne shared how the world was under the control of satan etc.

Vanderhoven7

So I decided to go hunting for JWs this morning. Walked to the end of my driveway and who should be approaching...but 2 ladies, one old (Dianne) and one younger both with Watchtower mags in hand. Dianne shared how the world was under the control of Satan etc. Then I asked her how she became a Christian. She became a witness in the late 50s. The young one was born in.

As I shared my testimony two elder types (assumed they were husbands) joined us as well. My son, who was watching from the window joined us. My son was warm and friendly and open to dialogue. Unfortunately, I on the other hand went on the attack, explaining rather forcefully that the foundations of their religion were unbiblical. The main elder did not want to hear about 105 year 1914 generation, the 1918 first resurrection etc.

My son encouraged them to come back and the elder said he would. Rudely, I said that I had heard that before and that I didn't believe he would come back to have his faith challenged. They left in a hurry.

My son afterward gave me a lesson in grace and suggested that my multiple attacks on their faith was not the way to go to get them to listen.

He was right. Hope to do better next time.