Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Joyeux Noel

by Vanderhoven7 in

merry christmas everyone!.

our entire family got together this morning to celebrate christmas.

i started by reading luke 2, the shepherds story.

Our entire family got together this morning to celebrate Christmas. I started by reading Luke 2, the shepherds story. I then said, "Jesus came to conquer the world... with the greatest weapon of all." I asked if anyone knew what that weapon was. Little Shanley, our 6 year old granddaughter, said she knew. "It's love", she responded.

That just about made my day!

Hope you all don't mind if I include here the third section of the Christmas message I gave to a group of Seniors a week ago.

Here it is:

"Christmas is a call to wonder to worship and to witness.

We are to be faithful to the Christmas call …. but there are some today who fail to answer the Christmas call. There's some even religious people who are Christians but refuse to celebrate Christmas. They actually think it is unchristian to celebrate his birth. They often say December 25th was originally celebrated by pagans.

But who cares what day pagans celebrated on or what they celebrated about. We don't care if the the devil himself claims a day. We can reclaim the day. Let's reclaim December 25th and every other day of the year. Let's reclaim the days of the week and the months of the year named after pagan deities. We can witness by celebrating the birth of Christ every day of the year to the glory of God.

And not only the birth of Christ. We can celebrate every event in the life of Christ. We can celebrate his birth, we can celebrate his holy and sinless life, we can celebrate his death, his resurrection from the dead, his ascension to the right hand of God where his glory was restored and our salvation secured. We celebrate his coming, we celebrate his miracles, his healings, his power over nature. We celebrate his power over sin and his victory over the devil...because that's our victory as well.

Christian believers have celebrated Christmas down the ages and we will continue celebrating Christmas till Jesus comes. We will never be ashamed to witness about his birth. We are not ashamed of the life of Christ, his grace, his power, his words, his works and the destiny his love has secured for us.

Let us continue to answer the Christmas call; to wonder at his love, worship him for it and witness his love to others. To God be the glory!"

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Divorce/Terms of Agreement

by SFSDGUY in

i'm a first time poster and i apologize if this topic has been discussed before.

when i met my wife she was disfellowshiped and were happy, got married, and had a kid.

after we had our daughter she got reinstated so her family and her jw "friends" could spend time with our daughter.

Vanderhoven7

Hey Pale Emperor,

Thanks for posting the link to the WT preparation for child custody cases booklet. Such weasel-word and outrightly disingenuous responses recommended should convince anyone who is not totally brainwashed that WT religion is immersed in deliberate deception.

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Children

by Freedom rocks in

hi i haven't posted for a while but i have a question and would appreciate any advice offered.

i left the cult 2 years ago and i'm so happy now.

i struggled at first and with the help of the lovely men and women on here i got stronger and started to find myself and ive grown as a person (i'm not being told who i am or who i should be anymore).

Vanderhoven7

Hi FR,

Do you share custody?

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Divorce/Terms of Agreement

by SFSDGUY in

i'm a first time poster and i apologize if this topic has been discussed before.

when i met my wife she was disfellowshiped and were happy, got married, and had a kid.

after we had our daughter she got reinstated so her family and her jw "friends" could spend time with our daughter.

Vanderhoven7

Will your wife sign such a clause?

Even if she did, the teachings of the religion, if effective, will unquestionably influence your daughter's thinking about all non-JWs... and that unfortunately includes you.

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Divorce/Terms of Agreement

by SFSDGUY in

i'm a first time poster and i apologize if this topic has been discussed before.

when i met my wife she was disfellowshiped and were happy, got married, and had a kid.

after we had our daughter she got reinstated so her family and her jw "friends" could spend time with our daughter.

Vanderhoven7

Sorry to rain on your planned out-of-court negotiations.

My take is that your divorce will end any real control you have over your wife. When she has custody of your daughter, you will not be able to control Watchtower influence, just as your wife will not be able to control how you educate your daughter when you have custody. Verbal and written agreements to the contrary will end up being futile. Your daughter will quickly find out that you are evil association and are bound for destruction at Armageddon whether you like it or not.

Divorce plays into her hand; since if the unbeliever departs, she is not bound to remain single. I can envision your wife getting remarried to a faithful Jehovah's Witness who will also support your wife and make sure your daughter is educated in all things JW.

Is there any chance of you sticking it out, for your daughter's sake?

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What Are Your Predictions for 2020 and Beyond?

by The Bethelite in

jw
friends

2020 the society will continue to have financial problems with massive pay outs because of their lack of protecting their young people from a religion that harbors thousands of pedophiles.

thus this and other religions that has an 1800's mentality will continue to lose their young people.

with the religion's lies easily found on the internet the smart ones will continue to leave in droves.

Vanderhoven7

Nice correction WAEO!

SL wrote: "Armageddon.....maybe even in our lifetime...."

and that no doubt also means in their children's children's lifetime.

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Favorite Bumper Stickers!

by The Bethelite in

jw
friends

one the jws like.. "get busy!

god is coming and he is pissed.".

one the that people who are not jws like.. "please god protect me from your people".

Vanderhoven7

Favorite- After religion, try Jesus.

Worst - Honk if you love Jesus.

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Need to vent. I am thinking of leaving my wife.

by goingthruthemotions in

i am so sick of this cult, this religion has such a grip on her.

since i left in 2014, things just are getting progressively worse.

and she it's just getting deeper and deeper.

Vanderhoven7

Why not show your wife what unconditional love looks like. Be a servant to her and hopefully she will see there is goodness outside of the cult.

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Lack of zeal

by road to nowhere in

i hear rumbling about the rank and file not having the same zeal they had when new.. lets see: door to door at the time least likely to find someone.

waste of a whole morning.

isolated.

Vanderhoven7

Pardon the pun, but how can their be real zeal when you are on a 105 year road to nowhere.

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2034 - A Future History of Jehovah's Witnesses

by slimboyfat in

i don't know what i am talking about... read this post at your peril.

back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among jehovah's witnesses.

those who have read raymond franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about dan sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'.

Vanderhoven7

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