Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Nice Street Interviews Just in Time for the Memorial
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqwh_usezpu&feature=youtu.be.
Vanderhoven7

Great street evangelism question: How do you know your sins are forgiven if you are not in the new covenant?
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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Vanderhoven7

Deliberate efforts to cover up sexual abuse of children is clear evidence of bad intent no matter how many excuses an organization comes up with.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/leaders-jehovahs-witnesses-cover-child-sex-abuse
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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Vanderhoven7

The GB/FDS' unwillingness to admit to the the magnitude of the child sexual abuse problem and their use lawyers to stave off judgments in favour of the abused is ample evidence of bad intent.
When self preservation including protection for abusers trumps justice and mercy for those abused, assertions of righteousness are nothing less that an abomination.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Yes, reminds me of 1 Corinthians 11

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

I think in general we believe in universal eonian judgment starting with the house of God
JoenB75, I agree that believers are judged first.
Question: What do you believe that judgment is about or for?
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Theological universalism posits that all of humanity will be saved in the end.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Where are the universalists on this forum? Now is the time to speak up.
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I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.
Vanderhoven7

Welcome to the forum AlainAlam!
Every doctrine that is unique to Jehovah's Witnesses is in fact extra-biblical.
Here are a number of examples
1. that their leaders somehow represent the Faithful and Wise Servant
2. that the book of Revelation is about them
3. that Jesus presence (parousia) began in 1914
4. that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE
5. that there are two classes of Christians (anointed and non-anointed)
6. that only faithful Jehovah Witnesses have a scriptural hope of surviving Armageddon.
7. that the name Jehovah is in the New Testament
8. that making God's name known involves telling people God's name is Jehovah.
9. that whole blood transfusions are outlawed in scripture.
10. that something scripturally significant happened in 1914, 1918, 1919, 1925 or 1975
11. that the tribulation spoken about in Matthew 24 is future
12. that WTS leaders can interpret Bible prophecy
13. that less than 150,000 faithful Christians existed prior to the 20th century
14. that only 144,000 people have a heavenly calling.
15. that 8 men in New York have been given the exclusive mandate and ability to interpret scripture.
16. that only Jehovah's Witnesses are real Christians
17. that "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 does not mean the generation Jesus was manifest in
18. that the 1914 generation is still with us
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If You're Just Here to spread Your TDS, It's Time to Say Goodbye
by Simon in
1. forum
2. announcements
if all you want to do it deliver a constant whine of "orange man bad" then find someplace else to do.

it.

frankly, i can't be bothered with the bullshit anymore.. honestly, your politics and the whole virtue signalling woke brigade has actually started causing real deaths and was ruining life for many before that.. if you can't control your disease, then i'll do it for you.. it's not open for debate..
Vanderhoven7

Adding to Cofty's comment...I expect that if Trump gets reelected, as I hope and anticipate, we will see cars overturned and burning in the streets of America.
Here's hoping I am not a better prophet than the WTS.
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Testing For Transparency - An Honesty Check
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
please share any other yes/no questions that might fit with the following 10. also feel free to critique the 10 listed.. testing for transparency.

there are some facts that jehovah's witnesses are reticent to divulge to new prospects.

you may want to find out very early in your discussions if the witnesses you are studying with are open and truthful about their organization's doctrine and practices by asking them a series of sensitive (potentially embarrassing) questions about their personal beliefs.
Vanderhoven7
What I like about these yes/no questions is that they can springboard into greater discussion of the issues.
For example, the question on blood transfusions...
5. Do you believe that a Jehovah's Witness who willfully accepts blood transfusions would still have a scriptural hope of surviving Armageddon? (or would he forfeit that hope?)
could be followed with:
- Would that dashed hope apply for Witnesses prior to 1945 when blood transfusions were permitted and even encouraged by the Watchtower?
  Would you allow a family member to receive some blood components?
- Does the Bible specify which components are acceptable and which ones are not?
- Do you know if your religion has been consistent in determining allowable components?
- Why is plasma unacceptable when all components are individually on the WT acceptable list? (water, albumin, proteins, fractions XIII and IX)
- How about white blood cells (Leukocytes)? Do you know that millions are found in mother's milk and billions passed during organ transplants which are now acceptable to the Society?
- According to your religion, what is wrong with donating blood? (immoral?)
- Is it proper to benefit from immorally donated blood? Aren't JWs being parasites?