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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  @Disillusioned JW

  A valid criticism my friend. I will try to rectify that shortly.
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  Who is GOD going to destroy at Armageddon ? Christianity or Islam ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  has anybody here been watching the series on stan or anywhere else called the godfather of harlem ?

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  i think it was towards the end of the 3rd episode of series one where the question is raised .. i am so far enjoying the episodes i`ve watched ..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Christendom and Islam with all their adherents are going down at Armageddon according to Watchtower religion. Only Jehovah's Witnesses, with very few exceptions, have a scriptural hope of surviving the coming onslaught.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Phizzy,

  If Witnesses claim that their religion is entirely Bible-based, as they like to do, I will ask them if false prophecy is Bible-based or if adding to scripture is Bible-based?
  

  I will agree that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses represents Bible-based speculation. But then, of course, Bible-based becomes a meaningless claim when doctrines turn out to be absolutely unbiblical and obviously wrong. E.g. that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were resurrected in 1925 and could be called in Jerusalem and asked to raise granny in 1926.

  I like your strategy of explaining that you are troubled by the hidden WT pedophile problem. Now that the WTS has officially joined the Australian redress scheme it is hard for Witnesses to deny there is a problem.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Jeff,

  Actually before I bless them with doubt, I ask them to tell me how they became Christians, then share my testimony in Christ. That's when I tell them I could not become a Witness.

  Another strategy evangelicals can use is to ask -" How would I benefit by becoming a Witness?" In Christ we have every benefit that they do not possess.... such as eternal life, forgiveness of sin, the righteousness of Christ, acceptance in the beloved, sonship etc.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  Opening up a street-level dialogue with Jehovah's Witnesses:

  Since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless JWs with doubt about their beloved organization.

  After exchanging niceties, you might say something like:

  I must confess - I could never become a Jehovah's Witness (Why not?)

  • because I don't believe your religion is Bible-based. (Of it course is!)

  Is it Bible based:

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  • to say that God promised to bring about a new safe system before those who saw the events of 1914 passed away? (?)

    That was taught right up to October 1995. Was that Bible based or speculation based?

    Didn't the Watchtower make God a liar since He made no such promise?

  • to say that organ transplants are cannibalism? (?) Was that Bible based or speculation based?

    Was that Bible based or speculation based? How many Witnesses died unnecessarily when transplants were banned from 1967-1980?

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  • to say that vaccinations represent a breach of the everlasting covenant? (?)

    How many died because vaccinations were banned from 1921 to 1952?

    Was the ban on vaccinations Bible based or speculation based?

  • to say that alternative military service compromises neutrality? (?)

  • How many young JWs in the 60s went to prison because of Watchtower speculation?

  • to teach that Armageddon would occur in 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 (?)

    Was that Bible based or just prophetic speculation.

  • to teach that one need be associated with and loyally follow men in New York to have eternal life? Where does the Bible teach this?
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  Announcements and Reminders MAY 2021

  by cachito in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  parte de la informacion de los anuncios y recordatorios por parte de la watchtower mes mayo 2021traduccion:"3. agradecimientos por donaciones: elogiamos los esfuerzos de los muchos publicadores que se han adaptado a utilizar métodos electrónicos de donación para apoyar los intereses del reino, como por ejemplo utilizando donate.jw.org.

  se ha hecho un ajuste para unificar la forma en que se reconocen todas las donaciones recibidas en la sucursal.

  una vez que se reciba su donación, se le enviará un recibo por correo electrónico para reconocer el importe de la donación.

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  Vanderhoven7

  "Zions Watch Tower has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine, fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication." Consistent with that, there is no begging for money in the literature of Jehovah?s Witnesses."?Jehovah?s Witnesses?Proclaimers of God?s Kingdom, chap. 21, p. 340.

  Charles Taze Russell refused to imitate the churches. He wrote: "It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished."Jehovah?s Witnesses?Proclaimers of God?s Kingdom, chap. 21, p. 342.
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  Do you still talk to the dubs?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering!

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  Vanderhoven7

  Before Covid, I would look for JWs to talk to. on Saturday mornings. Started a study with two Witnesses; one claimed to be an elder. We met about six times, twice at the kingdom hall because they thought I would be somewhat intimidated by the location. Just berfore Covid I had an elder and a female Witness come to my home for a study. The female had already visited a week before and arranged for the elder to come. We discussed interpretive abuse i.e., the distinction between exegesis and eisegesis. They never came back...since their entire religion is based on the latter
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  Why JWs Can't Cope With The Real World

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no clue how i got this.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trgavbqlx9e9qv7begvmp0742tpawg3vfkh1eifqepe/edit?usp=drivesdk.

  top ten reasons.

  (why) jehovah's witnesses can't cope with the real world____________________.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Good points iXav and LHG!

  I wonder if the author was thinking of the more exemplary JWs, i.e., the sheep-like ones.
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  Why JWs Can't Cope With The Real World

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no clue how i got this.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trgavbqlx9e9qv7begvmp0742tpawg3vfkh1eifqepe/edit?usp=drivesdk.

  top ten reasons.

  (why) jehovah's witnesses can't cope with the real world____________________.

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  Vanderhoven7

  No clue how I got this.

  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tRGaVbqlx9e9Qv7bEGvmP0742TpawG3VFkh1EIfqePE/edit?usp=drivesdk

  TOP TEN REASONS

  (Why) JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CAN'T COPE with the REAL WORLD
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  1. The WatchTower Organization denies access to reality, substituting its OWN propaganda version instead

  1. Only Watchtower approved publications are allowed.

  2. No higher education is to be pursued.

  3. No non-JW friends or associations are encouraged with worldly "outside" POV.

  4. No free-style questioning of doctrine is permitted nor is constructive criticism.

  5. Threat of being "marked" or disassociated is wielded to discourage insubordinates.

  2. Between every real-world event and the JW's mind, a roadblock has been placed.

  1. The interpretive moment of free thought is interrupted by RE-LABELING in Watchtower-speak, jargon, and doctrinal rhetoric substituted.

  2. World events are twisted into a narrow storyline and propagandized as End Times signs leading to Armageddon.

  3. Individual tastes for Personal IDENTITY are expunged and replaced by a collective PERSONA. You are not yourself. You are to be viewed as a representative and example.

  1. Private thinking is red-flagged as selfish and sinful.

  2. Personal ambition is crushed. Only door-to-door ministry substituted as "worthy" endeavors. Beards and tight-pants are glaring demonstrations of satanic ego.

  3. JW’s are coerced into a public spectacle of theocratic performance for judgement.

  4. No individual is allowed a right to fall in love and marry or educate or earn without prior approval. You are the property of the Kingdom Hall and the Governing Body.

  4. Both History and Future cease to be objective occurrences

  1. Every human endeavor is judged as to whether it is part of Jehovah's Plan

  2. Great Leaps of advancement for humanity are disregarded and minimized.

  c. Terrorist atrocities are proof positive of a Satanic doomed world.

  d. Individual triumphs and tragedies have no particular value; only Armageddon matters.

  5. Talent, Creativity and Genius are transformed into useless ego obsessions.

  1. No personal achievement is praiseworthy since all glory is for Jehovah only.

  2. Neither Musical, Artistic, Scientific or Mathematical ability is encouraged because the preaching activity supersedes all else.

  3. Critical Thinking leads to skepticism and eventual disfellowshipping. Even intelligence itself is marked as suspicious.

  6. Ignorance, poverty, disease and psychological disturbance are NOT worthwhile for charity, education or institutional tasking for JW's.

  1. Building hospitals or colleges diverts precious time away from the JW ministry. Besides, Paradise implies repair and perfection anyway.

  2. Becoming a physician, social worker, volunteer in the community or joining any established task-oriented organization DISTORTS rather than solves human problems because Armageddon is coming quickly anyway.

  3. Humanitarian activity, disaster relief and institutional charity promote secular and false-religious creeds instead of Jehovah's solutions.

  4. Personal financial concerns aren't important to the congregation. Your finances are a symptom of End Times eventuality, not a focus of brotherly remedy.

  7. Human perception is untrustworthy, corrupted by sin and worldliness

  1. Only thoughts which come from official Governing Body writings are safe.

  2. Personal opinions, life experience and original analysis constitute hubris and running ahead of Jehovah's plan for his people.

  3. Calling attention to doctrinal irregularity, questioning "new light" and repeated calls for clarification red-flag spiritual weakness and danger.

  8. There are no "Good" people in any other religion. If they were good they'd join Jehovah's Witnesses.

  1. The appearance of goodness, charity, benevolence and selfless devotion to others by Catholics, Baptists, Buddhists or other religious types is only an artificial misunderstanding of Jehovah's permanent solutions to mankind's true problem: sin and death.

  2. Most do-gooders are religious fakes, imposters and money-grubbing charlatans who should be exposed and not admired.

  3. There is no one good except Jehovah anyway

  9. Everything you read, see, experience and think is a distortion by Satan for the purpose of deflecting you from Jehovah's TRUTH.

  1. Watchtower study replaces corrupt images, thoughts and ideas with clean, purified and approved replacements.

  2. The human heart is desperate and corrupt. What you "feel" is probably sin and not compassion. Don't trust yourself to know anything.

  3. The entire world is in the control and power of invisible demonic forces hellbent on destroying humanity

  10. Doubting Jehovah's organization isn't the result of logic or awareness of errors

  1. They never said they were perfect or inspired or prophetic

  2. Jehovah eventually repairs any damage (Wait on Jehovah)

  3. Disloyalty to the Organization is disloyalty to Jehovah himself. Armageddon will settle that score.

  In view of the Ten reasons above, there can be no doubt that the Organization has completely REMOVED REALITY from JW awareness.
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  Being denied a right to reality is to have one's mind taken hostage.

  Without thinking your own thoughts you cannot ever be an actual real person.

  The group thinks FOR you and instructs you what to do and say and how to be.

  Without that GROUP there is only doubt, emptiness, and longing to be cocooned by the "other" and cradled away from fear.
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  Why it is hard to break free?

  You wonder why JW family member won't listen to reason?

  You wonder why the obvious isn't at all obvious?

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  JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CAN'T ABIDE REALITY.

  For them......it isn’t allowed to exist!
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  Was your faith in Armagedddon connected to current events?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember when nixon resigned?

  the big a was here some said.

  remember 1986 and the "international year of peace and security?

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  Vanderhoven7

  Absolutely not connected to modern events. Armageddon is history....Revelation 16:16 was fulfilled in the first century.

  https://www.revelationrevolution.org/revelation-16-a-preterist-commentary/