Posts by Vanderhoven7

7. Would you say that your faith is primarily in the Bible or is it primarily in your religious leaders (i.e.; those taking the lead) and their interpretations of the Bible?

8. Could there be a discrepancy between what your religion teaches and what the Bible teaches? Has there ever been?

9. Does new light or doctrinal modifications made by your religious leaders act as a corrective to change what you believe the Bible teaches?

10. Could the Bible ever act as a corrective to change your beliefs contrary to what your religions leaders teach?

11. If a person puts his complete trust in a Bible scholar, with an “if he says it, I believe it” attitude, would his faith ultimately be in the Bible or the scholar?

12. If you somehow lost faith in your religion's primary leadership, would you lose your faith in God and the Bible?

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

Vanderhoven7

Paul was talking about death to the flesh in Romans 6; that we are dead to sin when alive to God.

If sin were atoned for by man's physical death, there would be no further consequences, and no further judgment. But Jesus said, by our words men will be absolved or condemned. The resurrection of the just is to life, the resurrection of the unjust is to judgment.

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

Vanderhoven7

Wow...I never heard a JW say Hitler was coming back and given a chance to gain eternal life.

By saying they got the bad news right I was referring specifically to their view of final punishment as annihilation.

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Sea Breeze,

The dragon and the serpent are images of the devil. Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, the lake is the image which literally is the second death or eternal death.

Death and the grave cannot be picked up and tossed anywhere. The beast is not literal since no beast has seven heads. You cannot literally torment an abstraction dispite the fact that it is personified.

One verse in the whole Bible which contradicts the sentence given Adam, dust thou aren't and to dust thou shall return. Apart from the ransom of Christ, no one would be eligible for a resurrection. And that one verse is in a book of symbols in a highly symbolic passage and yet many conclude much literal information from it.

We could start a thread on this...something like:

"Is the Watchtower Right About Hell?"

IMO The good news they got entirely wrong, the bad news for the wicked, they got right.

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

Vanderhoven7

Right JoenB75,

This mortal must put on immortality...every Christian will be raised immortal. The only time eternal and torment are juxtaposed in the entire Bible is in a symbolic book (Rev. 20:10) and applies to the devil, the seven headed beast and the false prophet.

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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?

by EdenOne in

i have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .

knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.

meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.

Vanderhoven7

Sea Breeze,

None of the verses you brought out on the fate of the wicked speak of external consciousness, inate immortality or endless torment.

I recommend an inexpensive book that is available on Amazon entitled, "Eternal Torment-Image and Reality. It deals with every verse Old and New Testament...looking for eternal torment, eternal consciousness and immortality of the soul.

I know the author well. Check the back cover because you know him as well.

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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church

by joe134cd in

just saw the following you tube video.

it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.

if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.

Vanderhoven7

LDS Total population
16,663,663 United States6,592,195

LDS Total population

16,663,663

United States6,592,195

There are about 8.5 million adherents to Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide with 70% or 5,900,000 of them being Americans. Yes, close to 18 million attended the 2020 memorial...but apparently less than half identify as committed Witnesses.

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