I hope I'm up for a good challenge Revealed.
Nope. I am a Christian who is justified by the blood of Christ as you claim to be also.
So do you partake of the emblems of His body and blood at the memorial?
Vanderhoven7
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The "Trinity" is not Biblical.
by Revealed insimple.. you cannot find the word there (or many of the comical variations such as: a triune godhead, the triunity, co-equal god beings, godhead, a hypostaic union, divine essences, divine natures, a god-the-son, a god-the-ghost, hypostasis, homoousios, perichoresis , a godman, omnipresence, incarnation, a god who is a sacred mystery, a god 'in three persons', dual natures, a reincarnate god, a first person of the trinity, a second person of the trinity, a third person of the trinity, godness, a tri-unity or a multipersonal god), or any of the so-mentioned aspects.. jehovah identified himself (not 'themselves") as on one god, as did jesus and all the prophets.
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so, come, let us know of the simple twists of the clergy!.
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The "Trinity" is not Biblical.
by Revealed insimple.. you cannot find the word there (or many of the comical variations such as: a triune godhead, the triunity, co-equal god beings, godhead, a hypostaic union, divine essences, divine natures, a god-the-son, a god-the-ghost, hypostasis, homoousios, perichoresis , a godman, omnipresence, incarnation, a god who is a sacred mystery, a god 'in three persons', dual natures, a reincarnate god, a first person of the trinity, a second person of the trinity, a third person of the trinity, godness, a tri-unity or a multipersonal god), or any of the so-mentioned aspects.. jehovah identified himself (not 'themselves") as on one god, as did jesus and all the prophets.
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so, come, let us know of the simple twists of the clergy!.
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Vanderhoven7
@Revealed
I hope you don't mind a challenge.
Let's start with justification by Christ's blood. Justification, among other things, means that you are at the least forgiven by the blood. "The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin" the Apostle John tells us. Do you partake of the emblems of his body and blood at the memorial Revealed?
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I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~
by Revealed in...why have you left the god and his son?.
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@Revealed
Here is a guy named Mack who left the Org and kept his faith
"I am a former Jehovah’s Witness. I didn’t lose my faith, for my faith was never in the organization. Perhaps I was an unusual Witness in that respect.
My faith was in the Creator. He was still with me, and I with him, after leaving the Witness organization.
Dissociating myself from a corrupt and abusive religion is nothing like losing my faith.
My faith was stressed perhaps, but not lost. It was stressed because of my false belief in the lies Jehovah’s Witnesses conditioned me to accept, including the one that they are God’s unique representative on Earth, and that leaving them meant leaving him.
I saw for many years how much suffering their lies cause. I struggled to understand how God could use such a corrupt organization.
But it was the Creator himself, in answer to a prayer, who guided me to leave the Witnesses. If they were the unique representatives of God, as they claim to be, then he would not have done that.
My exit and recovery began suddenly one day when I got a sign from the Creator that I should leave the Witnesses. That sign told me they were not “his people” after all. That was the day in 1997 that my recovery from a 28-year nightmare began.
In retrospect, it is obvious, for “God is love” (1 John 4:8), but the Witnesses condemn unconditional love, and there is no other kind. Conditional love isn’t love at all—it’s just approval.
Faith retained, freedom gained."
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The "Trinity" is not Biblical.
by Revealed insimple.. you cannot find the word there (or many of the comical variations such as: a triune godhead, the triunity, co-equal god beings, godhead, a hypostaic union, divine essences, divine natures, a god-the-son, a god-the-ghost, hypostasis, homoousios, perichoresis , a godman, omnipresence, incarnation, a god who is a sacred mystery, a god 'in three persons', dual natures, a reincarnate god, a first person of the trinity, a second person of the trinity, a third person of the trinity, godness, a tri-unity or a multipersonal god), or any of the so-mentioned aspects.. jehovah identified himself (not 'themselves") as on one god, as did jesus and all the prophets.
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so, come, let us know of the simple twists of the clergy!.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Revealed,
Are you a Christian? Do you know Jesus Christ personally? Is he your Savior? Are you justified by his blood? Do you have eternal life?
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The "Trinity" is not Biblical.
by Revealed insimple.. you cannot find the word there (or many of the comical variations such as: a triune godhead, the triunity, co-equal god beings, godhead, a hypostaic union, divine essences, divine natures, a god-the-son, a god-the-ghost, hypostasis, homoousios, perichoresis , a godman, omnipresence, incarnation, a god who is a sacred mystery, a god 'in three persons', dual natures, a reincarnate god, a first person of the trinity, a second person of the trinity, a third person of the trinity, godness, a tri-unity or a multipersonal god), or any of the so-mentioned aspects.. jehovah identified himself (not 'themselves") as on one god, as did jesus and all the prophets.
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so, come, let us know of the simple twists of the clergy!.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Revealed,
Welcome to the forum.
Are counting time on this largely ex-Witness site.
Is it OK now for JWs to talk to Apostates on anti-Watchtower forums?
Wonderful if that's the case.
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The Deity of Jesus Christ
by Reciprocity infair warning, i am not a jehovah's witness believer, but i am curious about what it is you believe and why you believe it.
so i am interested in talking to you instead of reading about you from my own christian perspective.
after all, who understands what jehovah's witness believes better than a jehovah's witness?
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Vanderhoven7
@Reciprocity
hint: strike 2, barking up the wrong tree fella.
Here is a better place for discussions on the Trinity.
There are oodles of Jws on Quora who are chomping at the bit waiting for you!
See you there.
Vander
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The Deity of Jesus Christ
by Reciprocity infair warning, i am not a jehovah's witness believer, but i am curious about what it is you believe and why you believe it.
so i am interested in talking to you instead of reading about you from my own christian perspective.
after all, who understands what jehovah's witness believes better than a jehovah's witness?
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Reciprocity,
Welcome to the forum.
Just for your information, this is an ex-Jehovah Witness Forum. The rare Jehovah's Witness that shows up here is challenged by many who reject the Bible altogether.
Translation, you won't get much traction or debate with this subject; but you probably will needlessly provoke considerable criticism from an outspoken Atheist segment herein.
Better to start by introducing yourself and tell us where you are coming from and then feel free to comment on what you find before launching out with faith challenges.
Just a suggestion from a born-again believer.
Peace
Vanderhoven
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Watchtower Disparages the Bible
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..
"...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.
on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).
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Vanderhoven7
More of the same disparagement
“They say that it is sufficient to read the bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago.” (The Watchtower, August 15, 1981, pp. 28-29)
“Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years—if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.” (The Watch Tower, September 15, 1910, p. 298, Watchtower Reprints, p. 4685)
“On occasion opposers will question the various teachings that Jehovah’s people hold in common … They will declare that all one needs to do is to read the Bible. But Christendom has been reading the Bible for centuries.” (The Watchtower, March 1, 1983, p. 25)
“We must not lose sight of the fact that God is directing his organization … To turn away from Jehovah and his organization, to spurn the direction of ‘the faithful and discreet slave,’ and to rely simply on personal Bible reading and interpretation is to become like a solitary tree in a parched land.” (The Watchtower, June 1, 1985, pp. 19-20)
“Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.” (The Watchtower, December 1, 1981, p. 27)
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Watchtower Disparages the Bible
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..
"...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.
on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).
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Vanderhoven7
The Bible is inadequate according to the Faithful Slave.
“Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah’s visible organization in mind.” (The Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 587)
“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization.” (The Watchtower, February 15, 1981, p. 19)
“Does ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ [Watchtower organization] endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate? (Matt. 24:45, 47). No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. … They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature. … Thus, ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight … For those who wish to do extra Bible study and research, we recommend that they explore Insight on the Scriptures, All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial, and our other publications.” (Kingdom Ministry, September 2007, p. 3)
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A bit of history ... for you history buffs
by RR ini wasn't sure where to post this.
not sure why i'm posting this.
it's only going to add fuel to the fire.
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Vanderhoven7
I have met people who say that babies who die will burn forever for failing to be born again. Others say they automatically go to heaven because they have not reached an age of accountability.
One of my favorite stories comes from Germany during the height of WWII. A Jewish family was separated when being herded out of the train cars into the extermination camp at Auschwitz. A little boy broke out of his line and ran to see his father in another line. As the soldiers ordered him back into his own line, his son asked, "Will I see you after the showers Father?" The Father hesitated and replied, "Yes Son, after the showers." The Christian writing this commented, "If that's not true, I could have thought of a better gospel".