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  New World Translation is not much different other translations

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

  such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

  apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Welcome to the forum Abraham!
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  Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

  for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Blood Questions Basic

  Where does the Bible outlaw Blood Transfusions? (Acts 15:29 Gen.9:4)

  (Orthodox Jews aren't bothered by transfusions) (If your Dr. abstain alcohol... meat)

  
  

  Could it be that the dietary laws in Acts 15 were temporary, designed to help unify Jews and Gentiles. If so, your organization has had blood on its hands since 1945 and even before with it's outlawing of vaccinations and later organ transplants.

  a. Which components of blood are acceptable and which ones are not? What is the scriptural basis for this distinction? (red cells, white cells, platelets, plasma banned)

  b. Why plasma? Why is plasma (55% of blood volume) unacceptable when all of its elements are on the WTS acceptable list? Plasma is made up of 92 % water, albumin and fibrinogen proteins. What's the problem?

  c. Why white blood cells? Why are white blood cells banned when 97 percent of the white cells are not found in the blood stream but in organ tissues that are permitted by the WTS to transplant? Of course billions are transferred with every major transplant. By the way,12 times more white blood cells are found in a mother's milk than in the blood. Millions are passed from mother to child at every feeding. Seems Jehovah doesn't abide by the same rules JWs do.

  
  d. Why is it sinful to store whole blood? Where is the biblical exception that allows JWs to have their blood stored in tubes for lab technicians to test? By the way, only blood of animals that were slain by Jews under the law was to be poured out. No one was slain/killed to acquire the blood stored in blood banks. (Lev.17:13)

  e. Why is it alright to use the life-saving fractions (eg. Factors VIII and IX) derived from the donated and stored blood of others when these products were stored immorally? And aren't hemophiliac Witnesses leeches when they take these blood products without contributing to the blood bank themselves?

  f. Where is the rule found that it is OK to remove blood from the body to be cleaned..as long as there is no interruption in it's flow back to the body?

  g. Why did it take JWs over 70 years to find these rules out when they are so obvious to JWs now. And didn't Jesus appoint the F&DS in 1919 when JWs were still being encouraged to work for the Red Cross as alternative service and give and receive transfusions when necessary?
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  What if Witnesses presented their core beliefs at the door?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an interesting skit of what would happen if a witness was transparent at your door.. https://youtu.be/b0koiba2kyq.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Just the thought that they will soon be authorized to proclaim the "I told you so but now it's too late" message empowers their current paradise earth proclamation.
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  What if Witnesses presented their core beliefs at the door?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an interesting skit of what would happen if a witness was transparent at your door.. https://youtu.be/b0koiba2kyq.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Here is an interesting skit of what would happen if a Witness was transparent at your door.

  https://youtu.be/b0KOibA2KYQ
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  The WT brings up the theme of fleeing

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.

  this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.

  i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Actually, the time to flee the tribulation was in 70 AD.
  
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  Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

  for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Regarding the actual eating of blood: Can anything that goes into the mouth of a Christian defile him? Ro.14:14 (???)

  Assuming that there is no one around with a weak conscience, should Christians ask questions of conscience about meat served in the home of a pagan idol worshiper who is known to eat things strangled? I Cor.10:27

  Why do you think Jews could eat animals found dead in their fields (unbled) with relative impunity. They would merely have to wash their clothes and be unclean until evening.

  Leviticus 11:38,39 - "If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches its carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of its carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening."

  Note: It took JWs over 70 years (right up to 1945) to find rules restricting blood use when they are so obvious to JWs now. It's interesting that Jesus appointed the F&DS in 1919 when JWs were still being encouraged to work for the Red Cross as alternative service and give and receive transfusions when necessary?
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  The WT brings up the theme of fleeing

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.

  this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.

  i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.

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  Vanderhoven7

  They better pray that their flight not be in winter or on a Sabbath day. Everyone knows planes don't fly to Australia or New Zealand in winter or on Sabbath days.
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  Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

  by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

  (mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Anything can be an idol.

  But as Christians we, like Paul should honestly say

  14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal.6:14
  
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  Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

  by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

  (mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

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  Vanderhoven7

  The cross may be an abomination to JWs, but not to God.
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  Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

  by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

  (mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

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  Vanderhoven7

  The abomination of desolation is a code word for the Roman armies that desolated Jerusalem.and its temple.

  Compare Matthew with Mark

  15¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

  16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Matthew 24:15-16

  
  

  20¶And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

  21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; Luke 21:20-21

  
  

  This in fulfillment of Daniel chapter 9

  
  

  26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

  
  

  27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.