Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Merry Christmas Everyone

by jhine in

jw
friends

i don't think that it's too early to start this thread so .

merry christmas everyone.

maybe people could share christmas music or clips to get us all in the mood.

Prayer for every day

by May1981 in

i pray for every person in the world.

you can also join my prayer.

and may the creator hear our prayers.

Vanderhoven7

Hi May,

Welcome to the forum!

Yes, lets pray especially for those who are trapped in cults like Jehovah's Witnesses.

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What are the maim lies Apostates tell about Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

main not maim.

picked this answer up on quora.

please add other apostate "lies" you are aware of.. "jehovah's witnesses cannot refute the facts in the so-called “ lies” against them, and when they do, they shamelessly lie and tell half-truths to defend their mind-controlling sect.. their new york based leaders tell them that anything negative said about their sect is a “ lie “ from “ mentally diseased, bitter apostates”.. jws are yet to come to terms with the fact that we are in the information age and they can no longer get away with lying to protect their organisation.. for example, one of the “ lies “ told about them is that they shun anyone who leaves the cult , including family members, including their own children.. another “ lie “ is that jws are ready to allow their children to die rather than accept a life-saving blood transfusion.. the child sex abuse coverup in the cult is also said to be a “lie “.

Vanderhoven7

Gillies Gray writes:

What are the main lies apostates spread about Jehovah’s Witnesses, and why are they lies?

While it is unfortunately true that there are a few former members who spread lies against the Jehovah’s Witness religion, a far more common occurrence is that ex-members are wrongly accused of lying when they state facts concerning the Watchtower and its doctrines.

Whilst reading anything written by critics of their religion, Jehovah’s Witnesses are invariably on the look out for any little detail that could possibly be used as an excuse to accuse the author of lying.

The motivation for doing this stems directly from the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses are desperate to affirm the narrative that their religion is uniquely fulfilling bible prophesy. In order to maintain this illusion, opposers of the religion must be vilified and their opinions discredited.

Jehovah’s Witnesses try to force fit current events and circumstances to match prophetic bible verses and they look for any small pretext on which to base a belief that the prophesy pertains to them, thereby reassuring and convincing themselves that theirs is the true religion approved by God.

For example, in 1 Timothy 4:2, Paul talks about Christians in the ‘latter periods of time’ who will fall away from the faith and go on to ‘speak lies’. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses wish to believe that they are the only true followers of God and are living in the ‘last days’, they are constantly on the alert to find ANYTHING that resembles the fulfilment of that ‘prophetic’ scripture. As a result, they find any excuse to be able to accuse their critics.

This frequently leads to false accusations against their critics, claiming they are promoting lies about the Organisation and its teachings. JWs often assume a critic is saying something that they are not.

Jehovah’s Witnesses tend to take criticism of their organisation personally and are hypersensitive to legitimate negative criticisms. They are not accustomed to hearing the truth about their religion without the sugar coating which allows them to overlook the negative aspects of their theology. This results in false claims that lies are being told.

The irony is that the majority of objective, informed critics of the Watchtower Organisation go to great lengths to ensure that what they say is as accurate as possible. On multiple occasions many of them have actually argued against people who make false accusations about Jehovah’s Witnesses. These critics are genuinely offended when people promote misinformation about the Watchtower Organisation because it works against their objective of exposing the truth about the religion.

Jehovah’s Witnesses will always be swift to accuse their critics of lying if doing so confirms their prophetic narrative. However, on Quora and elsewhere, there have been countless occasions when Jehovah’s Witnesses who have accused a critic of lying have been asked to point to the alleged lies, but invariably, the JW either withdraws from the exchange, deliberately ignores the question or deflects onto another topic.

There is absolutely no good reason or excuse to lie about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, because inventing falsehoods about them works in their favor. Ex-JWs don’t need to invent lies when there is an abundance of genuine reasons for valid criticism. The most effective and efficient way of exposing the faults in the Jehovah’s Witness religion is to use their own literature, as well as highlighting the fundamental flaws in their apologetics.

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

Vanderhoven7

Hi GB,

Thank you for your response, but you answered neither of my questions.

1. Do you believe the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24? A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Paul informed the Ephesians that they had been saved by grace. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9

2. Have you been saved by grace? Again, a simple "yes" or "no" will do.

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What are the maim lies Apostates tell about Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

main not maim.

picked this answer up on quora.

please add other apostate "lies" you are aware of.. "jehovah's witnesses cannot refute the facts in the so-called “ lies” against them, and when they do, they shamelessly lie and tell half-truths to defend their mind-controlling sect.. their new york based leaders tell them that anything negative said about their sect is a “ lie “ from “ mentally diseased, bitter apostates”.. jws are yet to come to terms with the fact that we are in the information age and they can no longer get away with lying to protect their organisation.. for example, one of the “ lies “ told about them is that they shun anyone who leaves the cult , including family members, including their own children.. another “ lie “ is that jws are ready to allow their children to die rather than accept a life-saving blood transfusion.. the child sex abuse coverup in the cult is also said to be a “lie “.

Vanderhoven7

that some Jehovah's Witnesses died as a result of refusing a blood transfusion.

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Benehania df

by Yomama in

jw
friends

i have a confession i was at benihana restaurant and i shared a table with a df person now can i be df because we were eating at same table..

Vanderhoven7

If he is disfellowshipped then he us no longer a brother but in the world according to the organization. So you can treat him like Jesus treated publicans and sinners with whom he ate. Yes, the Watchtower will disfellowship you...but without scriptural support.

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

Vanderhoven7

Hi GB,

Thank you for your response.

Do you believe the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24?

I appreciate every scriptural reference you provided, especially the following one from Ephesians.

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 NASB

Have you been saved by grace?

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Godbeliever,

Thanks for your input.

Do you believe God is going to permanently destroy 7 billion or so at Armageddon

If so, who do you believe will survive the destruction? For example, do you believe only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses have that scriptural hope?

And what do you envision will happen to those who die before the tribulation starts?

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

Vanderhoven7

How true!

https://youtu.be/WYuVTCRV-Eg

I ask JWs how fair is it for God to permanently destroy 8 billion in the 21st century while raising virtually all those who die before Armageddon and giving them a chance at eternal life? Why should the timing of one's death determine one's eternal destiny?

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Armageddon Aftermath

by Vanderhoven7 in

actually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .

welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.

https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.

Vanderhoven7

Mark Jones writes:

There are approximately 7.7 billion people on the earth today.

There are only approximately 8.7 million Jehovah’s Witnesses on the earth today[1] (this includes those who don't believe but are stuck in the religion because they’d lose their families if they left).

That means that Jehovah’s Witnesses make up 0.11% of the population.

So, in answer to your question, what will Jehovah do to save 0.11% of humans when the end comes? (Although this number will be less because at least a quarter of Jehovah’s Witnesses likely don't even believe the religion anymore).

The answer: He’ll slaughter 99.89% of humans on the planet.

This includes:

Babies
Children
The mentally ill
The disabled
The infirm
Their non-Jehovah’s Witness relatives
Good, honest, kind people who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, housed the homeless.
Christians
Non-Christians
Atheists
People who believed the bible, believed in Jesus but not the Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of it.

How will he do this? Fortunately, the Jehovah’s Witness literature tells us… in graphic detail:

A terrible flesh-eating plague will destroy many. Says Jehovah: “Their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet, their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths”. Eaten up will be the tongues of those who scoffed and laughed at the warning of Armageddon! Eaten up will be the eyes of those who refused to see the sign of the time of the end! Eaten up will be the flesh of those who would not learn that the living and true God is named Jehovah!" - From the Jehovah’s Witness children's book Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained 1958 pp.208-209

Remember that scene from Raiders Of The Lost Ark?… that.

A woman holding her dead baby during Armageddon… for the crime of not being Jehovah’s Witnesses. From the Jehovah’s Witness children's book “Learn From The Great Teacher”.

According to Jehovah’s Witness official beliefs, the non-Jehovah’s Witness children have to die, because otherwise they’ll be raised as non-Jehovah’s Witnesses.

"What will happen to young children at Armageddon? The Bible does not directly answer that question, and we are not the judges. However, the Bible does show that God views the young children of true Christians as "holy." (1 Cor. 7:14) It also reveals that in times past when God destroyed the wicked he likewise destroyed their little ones." - Reasoning from the Scriptures pp.47-48
"Children are affected by the course of their parents, and parents are warned that their iniquity is visited on their offspring unto the third and fourth generation. (Ex. 20:5, 6) Parents are commanded to instruct their children in God's way, and if in these last days parents refuse to heed the divine instruction and warning they bring destruction upon themselves and their small children at Armageddon. (Deut. 6:6, 7; Eph. 6:4) According to justice God can leave such children dead, for, as Ezekiel showed, all die in their iniquity." - Watchtower 1950 Nov 15 p.463
"By all the evidences this system of things is hastening to its final confrontation with the God of justice at Armageddon. Parents and children who fail to gain the "mark on their foreheads," that is, an adequate appreciation of God's moral standard, are sure to suffer. Parents will be held accountable for their children, and children will suffer for the failure of their parents." - Watchtower 1968 Feb 1 pp.83-84
Not only that, but according to official doctrine the survivors will be sorted into scouting teams and “rejoice” in spending seven months burying the rotten corpses of babies, children, men and women - including the disabled and mentally ill:
With such a glorious feast of victory concluded, only the bones, bones from one end of the earth to the other, will be left for burial. What a task that will be for the survivors, to cleanse the earth of every remaining evidence of Gog’s forces! Even with the work well organized it will take seven months, Jehovah says, just to bury the bones. Scouting corps will be sent out on a full-time basis to search the land thoroughly and, when bones are found, markers will be set up for those with the spades and shovels who follow. Those privileged to share in that cleanup work will not view it as a revolting and disgusting assignment but will rejoice to be alive when Gog’s long and oppressive rule has come to an end and when the wicked are no more. Survivors of Armageddon will be happy and will greatly rejoice to have a share in preparing the earth for a global paradise of beauty and perfection under the reign of the King Christ Jesus. - Watchtower, 1 August 1956, page 465, para. 17[2]
To Jehovah’s Witnesses, this slaughter of 99.89% of humans alive today is considered a good thing and something they actually look forward to and pray for.
For those in opposition to Jehovah, it will be extremely confusing and terrible. - Michael Philipp
Through his son Jesus he will remove all wicked people and those who listened to and followed all the false religions and all the governments to allow all those exercising faith in his son’s ransom sacrifice to live forever in paradise on earth along with the billions who will be restored to life. - Stephen Macready
He will unleash the Army of the heavens. He is Jehovah of Armies! Jesus is coming with his powerful angels. The faithful and true 144,000 kings will be in the fight. Jesus will carry out his mission more pinpoint than any man made weapons of destruction. Mere toys they will be. Who will survive? The ones that Jehovah wants to save and protect. - Reggie Hammons (By all means, read his full answer. It’s almost orgasmic in anticipation of the coming genocide).
This is the message Jehovah’s Witnesses are supposed to be warning you about. This is the message Jehovah’s Witnesses claim you’re rejecting.
But most people are unaware that Jehovah’s Witnesses actually believe this, because they aren't “warning you about this” at all.
They don't tell you this message straight up. Instead they ask you some generic question about Jesus or the bible in general. Because if they told you all of this at the door you'd likely think it's a mad cult or something.