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  Silly song lyrics

  by jhine in

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  after a conversation with hubby l started thinking about silly lyrics in songs , of which there are many .bang a gong by marc bolan is pretty daft , although apparently his lyrics are deep .

  do you have any favourite daft lyrics?

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  Vanderhoven7

  Here are a few oldies

  The Witchdoctor song

  My boomerang won't come back

  Flying Purple People Eater

  Peanut Butter

  Rotten friend of mine
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  Happy New Year

  by HappyDad in

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  wishing all of you a happy and prosperous new year.

  my wish is for everyone to find happiness.

  for those of you who are still having to keep up appearances (pimo's) because of family who are still in, my wish for you is anything that will open the eyes of your family members and finally be set free.. tonight here in minnesota, happydad will be celebrating with a bloody mary, right here at home in my sweats.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Happy New Year !

  Well we (my wife and I) welcomed in the new year with our snores. It's our annual tradition.

  May God continue to bless us all richly throughout 2022 and make us a blessing!
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  Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

  by Sea Breeze in

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  jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

  biography.

  jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

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  I know Jehovah’s Witnesses try to discredit him for his work on mental illness among Witnesses.

  
  

  
  
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  graeme hammond writes:.

  in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

  “those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Sounds reasonable. If one disassociates, in all probability they have discovered a fault with the religion that the org does not want shared. In a sense, to leave is tantamount to apostasy.
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  Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

  biography.

  jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

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  Vanderhoven7

  How are morals derived from Universal Consciousness or mind religion?

  I think those who adhere to some forms of Eastern religious thought might be more prone to receiving his message.
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  graeme hammond writes:.

  in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

  “those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

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  Why would Jehovah's Witnesses be required to shun members who disassociate themselves?
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  graeme hammond writes:.

  in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

  “those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

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  Graeme Hammond writes:

  In his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses, English sociologist Andrew Holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the Jehovah’s Witness religion. “Those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”

  He noted: “As far as the Governing Body is concerned, there is no difference between those who leave the Watch Tower community voluntarily and those who are disfellowshipped.”

  Though the Watch Tower Society denies it, those who who choose to depart are shunned by family and friends. This, as Holden says, can create enormous problems given that JWs are urged to limit their contact with the outside world for fear of “spiritual contamination”.

  There are three exit doors for Jehovah’s Witnesses:

  • Disfellowshipping as a result of a judicial committee, a shocking kangaroo court process that results in organised shunning, with even verbal greetings prohibited;
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  • Disassociation, a voluntary but formal cutting of ties with the congregation and religion, which attracts the same response from the congregation; and
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  • “Fading”, in which JWs gradually reduce their contact with the congregation before ceasing attendance entirely, hoping their absence won’t be missed.

  Those who do “fade” however, not only often find that they are shunned by former friends anyway, but that their new life of independence — which may include celebrating Christmas, attending a different church, engaging in premarital sex or criticising their former religion — can result in being summoned to a judicial committee with the likely result of being disfellowshipped. Jehovah’s Witnesses regard baptism as a lifelong commitment to the church, and therefore lifelong subjection to the authority of elders.

  Non-believers (those who have never joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses) are not formally shunned; they are simply avoided as “bad association”.

  
  

  
  
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  Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

  biography.

  jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

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  Slim

  Yes, he is now convinced that evolution on a macro scale did not happen. He is a creationist.

  "There is no question in my mind that evolutionism and its branches of Darwinism will eventually fall, just as Marxism and Freudianism did. The belief structure is wrong and has produced an enormous amount of harm in history. When I mention this, my colleagues (and the atheistic community) typically point to what they believe is the harm caused by Christianity. This putative harm of Christianity, though, often results from not following Christianity, not from following it. Those who knew, understood, and lived the teachings of Christ would not have perpetuated the sins attributed to “religion.”"
  
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  Brainwashing

  by MaudeW in

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  2. scandals

  brainwashing.

  a systematic, coercive effort to alter an individual's beliefs and attitudes, usually by physical and/or psychological means; also referred to as "thought control.".

  brainwashing has been used predominantly in reference to severe programs of political indoctrination, although it is used occasionally in connection with certain religious, especially cultic, practices.

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  Vanderhoven7

  This thread did not go as far as it should have.

  
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  What if Witnesses presented their core beliefs at the door?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an interesting skit of what would happen if a witness was transparent at your door.. https://youtu.be/b0koiba2kyq.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Giles Gray writes

  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses transparent about their core beliefs when out proselytizing?

  If Jehovah’s Witnesses were open and honest about their core beliefs when they called at people’s doors, they would stand little chance of making any converts whatsoever.

  Let’s consider two of the main reasons why Jehovah’s Witnesses knock on the doors of their neighbours:-

  -- One reason is because of their belief that the ‘end of the world’ is imminent. They teach that their religion is the only ‘true’ religion being used by God on earth today, and anyone who does not belong to it or who fails to subject themselves to directions from the leaders, will soon be destroyed by Jesus in the ‘imminent’ war of Armageddon. The only way to survive Armageddon for those who hear the message preached by Jehovah’s Witnesses, is to submit to the Watchtower Organisation and obey every dictate from the leadership.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses are not forthcoming with this doctrine when they first meet people in their ministry, because they are aware that if they presented the full facts, it’s likely that householders would find the arrogance of the claims offensive. So this teaching is revealed much later in the indoctrination process.

  -- Another reason why Jehovah’s Witnesses call at people’s doors is to preach the ‘good news of the kingdom’.

  They allege that Jesus invisibly returned and began to rule in 1914 and God’s Kingdom has been active ever since that year. They believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses were the only people who were ‘awake’ when the Lord returned and they uniquely have knowledge that this event has already taken place.

  What they don’t tell you about this core belief is the fact that it was made up over a decade after the events of 1914 allegedly occurred, and apart from wild speculation, there is absolutely no good evidence that what they believe is true.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses will also refrain from telling you that the leaders who concocted these prophetic pronouncements were not Divinely inspired, received no communication from God and only had their best guesses to guide them in their bible interpretations. This is still equally true of today’s Governing Body (the leaders of the religion) who continue to base their teachings on guesswork. This has resulted in their predictions consistently failing and requiring constant amendments and alterations. This information is kept back from newly interested people and even from believing members.

  Instead the Governing Body proudly boast that they are being led by God, whilst at the same time contradicting themselves by denying this when they are called to account for their false or erroneous teachings. An essential aspect for the survival of the religion is their ‘doublespeak’, which can lead astray the unwary and those who are easily beguiled.

  If the above facts were openly admitted by the Jehovah’s Witnesses when they call at householders’ doors, most people would see the organisation for what it is… merely a man made institution founded on false information and promoting falsehoods.