Posts by Vanderhoven7

4

James Arjuna

by jhine in

real long shot here, has anyone come across a james arjuna ?

he's a " scientist " jw who disses evolution and is really full of venom .

i just wondered if anyone actually knows him , he's american and a real charmer .

Vanderhoven7

Hi Jhine,

Yes I have bumped into James a few times. He definitely has a high opinion of himself.

What is your handle on Quora? Have you seen any of the threads I have initiated involving JW beliefs and practices?

10

look...i've had my beef with lloyd aka cedars and some of the stuff he says or does but equally i respect what he is trying to do and what he has achieved in terms of waking people up.. he intimated he had mental health issues years ago but his video today is brutal...i see pain in his eyes and he is suffering.

his family come first and the man needs to heal.. yes he has issues that many on here see but its not the man that is important but his work.. but the man needs time to heal mentally and i wish he does so.

he deserves that despite the feelings and things that have happened in the past with the exjw community.. he has done so much for the exjw community in general that i hope all give him a little clack and he returns.. if any of us did what he did we may be in the same boat but none of us do...see past the man and see his work but equally the man is suffering and it is pretty sad...i hope he gets better soon.

Vanderhoven7

Anyone have the URL where Lloyd is thinking about chucking it all in?

19

Silly song lyrics

by jhine in

after a conversation with hubby l started thinking about silly lyrics in songs , of which there are many .bang a gong by marc bolan is pretty daft , although apparently his lyrics are deep .

do you have any favourite daft lyrics?

.

Vanderhoven7

OK "Rotten Friend of Mine" is a silly country song I wrote. But I think most will remember the others.

19

Silly song lyrics

by jhine in

after a conversation with hubby l started thinking about silly lyrics in songs , of which there are many .bang a gong by marc bolan is pretty daft , although apparently his lyrics are deep .

do you have any favourite daft lyrics?

.

Vanderhoven7

Here are a few oldies

The Witchdoctor song

My boomerang won't come back

Flying Purple People Eater

Peanut Butter

Rotten friend of mine

10

Happy New Year

by HappyDad in

jw
friends

wishing all of you a happy and prosperous new year.

my wish is for everyone to find happiness.

for those of you who are still having to keep up appearances (pimo's) because of family who are still in, my wish for you is anything that will open the eyes of your family members and finally be set free.. tonight here in minnesota, happydad will be celebrating with a bloody mary, right here at home in my sweats.

Vanderhoven7

Happy New Year !

Well we (my wife and I) welcomed in the new year with our snores. It's our annual tradition.

May God continue to bless us all richly throughout 2022 and make us a blessing!

33

Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

by Sea Breeze in

jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

biography.

jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

Vanderhoven7

I know Jehovah’s Witnesses try to discredit him for his work on mental illness among Witnesses.

16

Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

by Vanderhoven7 in

graeme hammond writes:.

in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

“those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

Vanderhoven7

Sounds reasonable. If one disassociates, in all probability they have discovered a fault with the religion that the org does not want shared. In a sense, to leave is tantamount to apostasy.

33

Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

by Sea Breeze in

jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

biography.

jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

Vanderhoven7

How are morals derived from Universal Consciousness or mind religion?

I think those who adhere to some forms of Eastern religious thought might be more prone to receiving his message.

16

Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

by Vanderhoven7 in

graeme hammond writes:.

in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

“those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

Vanderhoven7

Why would Jehovah's Witnesses be required to shun members who disassociate themselves?

16

Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun non-believers and those who leave the faith?

by Vanderhoven7 in

graeme hammond writes:.

in his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of jehovah’s witnesses, english sociologist andrew holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the jehovah’s witness religion.

“those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”.

Vanderhoven7

Graeme Hammond writes:

In his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses, English sociologist Andrew Holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the Jehovah’s Witness religion. “Those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”

He noted: “As far as the Governing Body is concerned, there is no difference between those who leave the Watch Tower community voluntarily and those who are disfellowshipped.”

Though the Watch Tower Society denies it, those who who choose to depart are shunned by family and friends. This, as Holden says, can create enormous problems given that JWs are urged to limit their contact with the outside world for fear of “spiritual contamination”.

There are three exit doors for Jehovah’s Witnesses:

Disfellowshipping as a result of a judicial committee, a shocking kangaroo court process that results in organised shunning, with even verbal greetings prohibited;
.
Disassociation, a voluntary but formal cutting of ties with the congregation and religion, which attracts the same response from the congregation; and
.
“Fading”, in which JWs gradually reduce their contact with the congregation before ceasing attendance entirely, hoping their absence won’t be missed.

Those who do “fade” however, not only often find that they are shunned by former friends anyway, but that their new life of independence — which may include celebrating Christmas, attending a different church, engaging in premarital sex or criticising their former religion — can result in being summoned to a judicial committee with the likely result of being disfellowshipped. Jehovah’s Witnesses regard baptism as a lifelong commitment to the church, and therefore lifelong subjection to the authority of elders.

Non-believers (those who have never joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses) are not formally shunned; they are simply avoided as “bad association”.