Posts by Vanderhoven7

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News story claims: "Jehovah’s Witnesses" are QAnon believers"

by Balaamsass2 in

i was googling the subject and came across this story.

i just had an incredible phone conversation with a long-time jw who has strong "q-anon" "sovereign citizen" beliefs.

the wife(first gen) says she is not surprised.

Vanderhoven7

I am surprised only 23% of Jehovah's Witnesses are QAnon

To be defined as a QAnon believer, a respondent had to generally agree with these three statements:

• “The government, media and financial sector are controlled by a group of Satan-worshippers

• “There is a tribulation storm coming soon that will sweep away the elites in power and restore the rightful leaders including the clergy.”

• “Because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may resort to violence in order to save our country.”

note changes to wording

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Billions to die at Armageddon?

by BoogerMan in

not according to this verse:.

(mark 3:28, 29) truly i say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men, no matter what sins they commit and what blasphemies they speak.

but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.”.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, billions

WT 1958 10/15 pp. 614-615 What Will Armageddon Mean to You

As for humans upon earth, on the side of Jehovah will be all those fully dedicated to him and who are faithfully following Jesus Christ; compared with earth’s billions these are indeed few.... On Satan’s side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent, even as we read: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." That includes all the governments of the world together with their supporters, the commercial, religious and social institutions.... Armageddon will be the worst thing ever to hit this earth in the history of man.

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Watchtower Dishonesty aka Theocratic Warfare

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would like to collect as many instances of watchtower dishonesty and pretense as possible.

here is one from a bulgarian as an example of what i'm looking for.. are jehovah's witnesses disfellowshipped for receiving blood in a hospital?.

helge fauskanger writes: "if witnesses can’t convince the elders that they are utterly “repentant” for this vampiric lapse of theirs, they will be held to have disassociated themselves from the religion — even if they never said a word about wanting to leave it!

Vanderhoven7

I am having an ongoing discussion with a JW who claimed that believing their eschatology was not important. I responded by asking:

Hi Rey,

1. If Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t make a big deal about their 1914 eschatology, will they baptize someone who rejects the idea that Daniel 4 has anything to do with Christ's parousia?

2. Will Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize someone who does not believe Christ appointed anyone in 1919?

3. If they continue in their rejection of these understandings, might they still be God approved and saved because of their faith in Christ and His salvation?

His Theocratic warfare response was:

1- This is a false dichotomy.

2- Yes.

3- Yes.

The opinions you are expressing are based on fundamental misunderstandings of our perspective. And you're aware of that. I'd refer you to 1 Peter 3.

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Hi Rey,

I read I Peter 3. Not sure of any point you intended to make. Also I am not aware of any specific misunderstandings I have of your beliefs, so do clarify those for me. I want to be accurate in all that I write or say.

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The video above demonstrates how I see the function of the governing body and watchtower. Your suggestion that we idolize men is incorrect.

We have had many conversations, and I try to ask what you believe. I sometimes misunderstand where your stance actually is, but I hope you'll have noticed by now that when you say “no, that doesn't actually represent what I believe,” I accept you at your word and attempt to ask for clarification, rather than pushing an accusation that I know your beliefs better than you do and “preterists really believe (this or that).”

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Hey Rey

No matter how you look at it, your faith is in men, not the Bible.

Will Jehovah’s Witnesses offer Christian baptism to someone who believes in Christ but holds that the 8 men taking the lead in New York are not appointed by God?

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I do not believe that, nor would I ever encourage anyone else to. What you are presenting is quite the opposite of what I believe, and I'm still curious why you seem so insistent to define my beliefs for me. What do you believe you might accomplish? Who are you arguing against?

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Hi Rey,

What don't you believe Rey?

Why not just answer my questions?

1.Will Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize someone who they know rejects the idea that Daniel 4 has anything to do with Christ's parousia?

2.Will Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize someone who they know believes the parousia has not happened yet?

3.Will Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize someone who they know believes that Jesus Christ has not yet appointed men to be ruler over his household as per Matthew 24:45–47?

4.Will Jehovah's Witnesses baptize people who they know reject that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is the Faithful Slave of Matthew 24?

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WT May 2022: The Seven Headed Beast

by raymond frantz in

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https://youtu.be/wg9-pvxsoqm.

this is my take on may 2022 watchtower on the seven headed beast and its connection to the 4 beasts of daniel 7. what do you think?.

Vanderhoven7

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

Vanderhoven7

On her current course, your girlfriend will end up being effectively shunned by her congregation whether she is disfellowshipped or not. Besides that, right now, according to her religion, she is a candidate for destruction at Armageddon. If she marries you on the sly and lies (fools the elders) about the ongoing intimacy prior to marriage, she will still be a candidate for destruction at Watchtower Armageddon.

There is no way to win in this...unless she is willing to give up her religion which at this point will not save her anyway...and disassociate herself by letter from the religion. Then she can freely marry you. If the elders want to know why she is disassociating, she can say for private reasons...and it's no longer their business anyway.

As a non-JW she will be shunned as an apostate...but then who cares.

If she is not willing to give up her religion, your best bet is to terminate your relationship for her sake. You might want to encourage her to do some independent research into what I see as a controlling and unbiblical cult.

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WT May 2022: The Seven Headed Beast

by raymond frantz in

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https://youtu.be/wg9-pvxsoqm.

this is my take on may 2022 watchtower on the seven headed beast and its connection to the 4 beasts of daniel 7. what do you think?.

Vanderhoven7

Relevance to anything happening now remains exactly zero.

Yes exactly that!

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Memorial invite

by JoenB75 in

now they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.

it always makes me a bit sad.

i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.

Vanderhoven7

Wow! That was quick ffghost. Thanks!

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Memorial invite

by JoenB75 in

now they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.

it always makes me a bit sad.

i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.

Vanderhoven7

It might be strategic to make the memorial coincide with the first in-person meeting at kingdom halls. This would assure an unusually large gathering and give the appearance that all is well with the org. Or have the halls opened already?

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Introduction

by joao in

jw
friends

i'm joão, from portugal.. i was a jw for about 30 years but i've stopped associating with them for about two years now.

and, lately, i've decided to dig deep and research about this cult!

oh boy!

Vanderhoven7

Welcome to the forum Joao!

As a born again Christian, I once helped a young married man realize that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses was not the truth. I gave him a copy of "Crisis of Conscience" and he quit attending the religion. His pimi wife however was devastated because of his doubts and disbelief.

He wanted to deconvert her as quickly as possible. I cautioned him to go slow. Arguments ensued and before long they were enemies. He finally convinced her of ttatt but that led to her leaving the religion....and him and running off with another man.

In his despair he ended up going back to the religion for support. I bumped into him a while back and he wouldn't even acknowledge my presence.

My point as well is: proceed with caution my friend.

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Administering a Blood Transfusion When Directed by a Superior- Jehovah's Witness Policy

by Ron.W. in

administering a blood transfusion when directed by a superior - jehovah's witness policy effective june 15th, 2018. while the hospital liasion committee elders were instructed that they may inform doctors and nurses of this decision, this letter was not allowed to be distributed to anyone outside of hlc members.. as a result of the concealment of this letter, and by virtue of the fact that this information was only to be shared verbally with jehovah's witness medical professionals and others, confusion erupted across the united states and in other branch offices of jehovah's witnesses.

countless letters were received at watchtower headquarters in new york from concerned jw nurses, paramedics, and others who were instructed verbally on this new policy, but which contradicted existing written policy that had been in effect for many decades.. in addition to letters from witness medical professionals, circuit overseers in the field wrote to the us branch and hospital information desk in new york about the problems caused by this unreleased policy.

for example, south carolina circuit overseer brandon roberts reported to headquarters that "the majority of the nurses in our circuit were not aware of this updated policy.

Vanderhoven7

Thanks Ron. Always good to expose the Watchtower any way possible.