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  Top Ten Reasons JWs Can't Cope With The Real World

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm not sure where this list came from.

  but do criticize it if you believe something is off-base.. why jws cannot deal with reality.

  the watchtower organization denies access to reality, substituting its own propaganda version instead.

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  Glad to hear it Rattigan. Can you identify with any of the points made by the author? Or is it all bunk to you ?
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  @Rattigan

  Of course it's not a competition. But the fact is that God made sure His name was excluded from the New Testament. (Based on all ancient manuscripts and fragments thereof... Jehovah is mentioned 0 times; Jesus mentioned 300+ times) Why do you think that is the case?

  The gospel does not change because it is everlastingly good news. Revelation 14:6
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  Top Ten Reasons JWs Can't Cope With The Real World

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm not sure where this list came from.

  but do criticize it if you believe something is off-base.. why jws cannot deal with reality.

  the watchtower organization denies access to reality, substituting its own propaganda version instead.

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  Certain parts of the Bible require considerable thought, like a treasure hunt. That is the very opposite of brain washing. You have to be prepared to do the searching and working out yourself, not depend on someone else to do it for you.

  Well said and worth repeating Anna Marina!
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?” — math 24:45. according to jw, the faithful and discreet slave are the “anointed” men of the “governing body” of the jehovah’s witnesses religion..

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  “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?” Matthew 24:45

  Who else could the original Faithful Slave be but the directors of the Watchtower at headquarters in Brooklyn New York in 1919. It should be obvious to us that Joseph Rutherford was among the ones chosen. If you don't accept that you should be destroyed at Armageddon. Don't you believe the Bible?

  Imagine there are some who think all faithful anointed Christians are the Faithful Slave. Of course that is Apostacy plain and simple. You must believe what the current Faithful Slave says about himself and his origins or you are not a true Christian.

  Prove me wrong!

  You can believe in the Bible, in Jehovah and His Son and still be destroyed if you do not recognize the Slave. The Bible does not give forth it's lifesaving truths without them.
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  Top Ten Reasons JWs Can't Cope With The Real World

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm not sure where this list came from.

  but do criticize it if you believe something is off-base.. why jws cannot deal with reality.

  the watchtower organization denies access to reality, substituting its own propaganda version instead.

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  Vanderhoven7

  I'm not sure where this list came from. But do criticize it if you believe something is off-base.

  WHY JWS CANNOT DEAL WITH REALITY

  1. The WatchTower Organization denies access to reality, substituting its OWN propaganda version instead

  1. Only Watchtower approved publications are allowed.

  2. No higher education is to be pursued.

  3. No non-JW friends or associations are encouraged with worldly "outside" POV.

  4. No free-style questioning of doctrine is permitted nor is constructive criticism.

  5. Threat of being "marked" or disassociated is wielded to discourage insubordinates.

  2. Between every real-world event and the JW's mind, a roadblock has been placed.

  1. The interpretive moment of free thought is interrupted by RE-LABELING in Watchtower-speak, jargon, and doctrinal rhetoric substituted.

  2. World events are twisted into a narrow storyline and propagandized as End Times signs leading to Armageddon.

  3. Individual tastes for Personal IDENTITY are expunged and replaced by a collective PERSONA. You are not yourself. You are to be viewed as a representative and example.

  1. Private thinking is red-flagged as selfish and sinful.

  2. Personal ambition is crushed. Only door-to-door ministry substituted as "worthy" endeavors. Beards and tight-pants are glaring demonstrations of satanic ego.

  3. JW’s are coerced into a public spectacle of theocratic performance for judgement.

  4. No individual is allowed a right to fall in love and marry or educate or earn without prior approval. You are the property of the Kingdom Hall and the Governing Body.

  4. Both History and Future cease to be objective occurrences

  1. Every human endeavor is judged as to whether it is part of Jehovah's Plan

  2. Great Leaps of advancement for humanity are disregarded and minimized.

  c. Terrorist atrocities are proof positive of a Satanic doomed world.

  d. Individual triumphs and tragedies have no particular value; only Armageddon matters.

  5. Talent, Creativity and Genius are transformed into useless ego obsessions.

  1. No personal achievement is praiseworthy since all glory is for Jehovah only.

  2. Neither Musical, Artistic, Scientific or Mathematical ability is encouraged because the preaching activity supersedes all else.

  3. Critical Thinking leads to skepticism and eventual disfellowshipping. Even intelligence itself is marked as suspicious.

  6. Ignorance, poverty, disease and psychological disturbance are NOT worthwhile for charity, education or institutional tasking for JW's.

  1. Building hospitals or colleges diverts precious time away from the JW ministry. Besides, Paradise implies repair and perfection anyway.

  2. Becoming a physician, social worker, volunteer in the community or joining any established task-oriented organization DISTORTS rather than solves human problems because Armageddon is coming quickly anyway.

  3. Humanitarian activity, disaster relief and institutional charity promote secular and false-religious creeds instead of Jehovah's solutions.

  4. Personal financial concerns aren't important to the congregation. Your finances are a symptom of End Times eventuality, not a focus of brotherly remedy.

  7. Human perception is untrustworthy, corrupted by sin and worldliness

  1. Only thoughts which come from official Governing Body writings are safe.

  2. Personal opinions, life experience and original analysis constitute hubris and running ahead of Jehovah's plan for his people.

  3. Calling attention to doctrinal irregularity, questioning "new light" and repeated calls for clarification red-flag spiritual weakness and danger.

  8. There are no "Good" people in any other religion. If they were good they'd join Jehovah's Witnesses.

  1. The appearance of goodness, charity, benevolence and selfless devotion to others by Catholics, Baptists, Buddhists or other religious types is only an artificial misunderstanding of Jehovah's permanent solutions to mankind's true problem: sin and death.

  2. Most do-gooders are religious fakes, imposters and money-grubbing charlatans who should be exposed and not admired.

  3. There is no one good except Jehovah anyway

  9. Everything you read, see, experience and think is a distortion by Satan for the purpose of deflecting you from Jehovah's TRUTH.

  1. Watchtower study replaces corrupt images, thoughts and ideas with clean, purified and approved replacements.

  2. The human heart is desperate and corrupt. What you "feel" is probably sin and not compassion. Don't trust yourself to know anything.

  3. The entire world is in the control and power of invisible demonic forces hellbent on destroying humanity

  10. Doubting Jehovah's organization isn't the result of logic or awareness of errors

  1. They never said they were perfect or inspired or prophetic

  2. Jehovah eventually repairs any damage (Wait on Jehovah)

  3. Disloyalty to the Organization is disloyalty to Jehovah himself. Armageddon will settle that score.

  In view of the Ten reasons above, there can be no doubt that the Organization has completely REMOVED REALITY from JW awareness.
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  Being denied a right to reality is to have one's mind taken hostage.

  Without thinking your own thoughts you cannot ever be an actual real person.

  The group thinks FOR you and instructs you what to do and say and how to be.

  Without that GROUP there is only doubt, emptiness, and longing to be cocooned by the "other" and cradled away from fear.
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  Why it is hard to break free?

  You wonder why JW family member won't listen to reason?

  You wonder why the obvious isn't at all obvious?

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  JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CAN'T ABIDE REALITY.

  For them......it isn’t allowed to exist!
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  GB

  That saying the name of Jesus is emphasized more than that of the Father in the New Testament says nothing of my appreciation for either name and more importantly, my love for either Father or Son. Nor is it a reflection of who I think is more important.

  But the New Testament emphasizes Jesus name because without faith in His name, there is no salvation.
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  @Slim

  "How do you know that the name of God isn’t on the lips of Jesus?"

  Jesus may have spoken the name of God but there is no evidence of that in the New Testament or any of the thousands of copies of ancient NT manuscripts and fragments thereof in our possession.

  Why do you think someone or some group would want to eradicate the name of God from the ancient manuscripts of the New Testament? And why would they leave the 3 "Hallelujahs in Revelation intact?
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Slim,

  No doubt the Pharisees treasured and proclaimed God's name relentlessly and yet the were children of the devil. It didn't do the a lick of good because they wouldn't kiss the Son who alone could set them free from the kingdom of darkness. Only those set free by the Son are free indeed.

  There must be a reason that we do not find the name of God on the lips of Jesus or His disciples in the New Testament. What do you think that is?
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Slim,

  Re: Revelation 3:12 Adam Clarke writes:

  A pillar in the temple - There is probably all allusion here to the two pillars in the temple of Jerusalem, called Jachin and Boaz, stability and strength. The Church is the temple; Christ is the foundation on which it is built; and his ministers are the Pillars by which, under him, it is adorned and supported. St. Paul has the same allusions, Gal_2:9.

  I will write upon him the name of my God - That is, I will make him a priest unto myself. The priest had written on his forehead קודש ליהוה kodesh laihovah, “Holiness to the Lord.”

  And the name of the city of my God - As the high priest had on his breastplate the names of the twelve tribes engraved, and these constituted the city or Church of God; Christ here promises that in place of them the twelve apostles, representing the Christian Church, shall be written, which is called the New Jerusalem, and which God has adopted in place of the twelve Jewish tribes.

  My new name - The Savior of All; the light that lightens the Gentiles; the Christ; the Anointed One; the only Governor of his Church; and the Redeemer of All mankind. There is here an intimation that the Christian Church is to endure for ever; and the Christian ministry to last as long as time endures: He shall go no more out for ever.

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  Not sure what your point is. I did not say the Tetragrammaton is not important. It's just that we don't know how to pronounce it in Hebrew. I believe there is a reason for that and that is now, in this life, it is not important that we know how to pronounce it. What is important is that we call on the name of His Son Jesus so that we can be forgiven, indwelt by the Spirit of God and become a new creation in Christ. Calling on the name or person of Jehovah alone will not save anyone unless He first comes to the Son and allows the Son to reveal and give him access to the Father.

  Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." John 14:6

  “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” Luke 10:22
  
  
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  What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

  who is the way, the truth and the life?

  (john 14:6).

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  My take is that the Father did not want the Hebrew pronunciation his name to be known... because another person was to be more important for mankind to know and that's why we have only have a sequence of consonants roughly 7000 times in the OT and 3 Hallelujahs in the NT. Knowing and using God's name did nothing for the self-righteous Pharisees because they rejected that central person, His only begotten Son.