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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Excellent questions Punko!
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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  One of the extra-biblical conditions of Watchtower baptism is that you believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE. You are unworthy to be accepted by Jehovah if you don't believe in a date in history. Repenting of your sins and turning to Christ for forgiveness won't help you unless you accept this date.

  https://youtu.be/ITnZMCWnwZk

  
  
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  Vanderhoven7

  <<All Christians going to heaven is nonsensical as I have unquestionably established.>>

  You can make up anything you want and attach scriptures that do not support your conclusions.

  No scripture you have referenced supports the idea that there are Christians out there who are not anointed, not justified and bereft of the heavenly hope...and that they are all associated with an organization headquartered in Warwick NY. This group only exists in your imagination.

  The Bible is clear. All true believers

  have eternal life I John 5:11-13...(compare WT Aug.15, 1945 p.253)

  are completely forgiven I John 1:6

  are sons of God John 1:12... (compare WT Aug.15, 1945 p.253)

  are to partake of the emblems of Christ's death I Cor.11:25 John 6:53

  are indwelt by the Holy Spirit Ro.8:9 are born again. Jn.3:3 I Cor.12:13

  are justified by grace through faith in Christ Jesus? Ro.3:21-26

  are declared righteous having Christ's righteousness imputed to them?

  Ro.4: 22 - 25 I Cor. 6:11 I Cor 5:21 Acts 3:38-39 Ro.10:1-3

  are members of the body of Christ? I Cor.12:27

  share in the New Covenant mediated by Christ Heb.12:24

  are entitled to share in the communion loaf and cup I Cor.10:16-17

  share one hope and that was a heavenly one. II Tim.4:18
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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Watchtower leaders have been false teachers and incompetent Bible interpreters from the start.

  But apparently you need to believe and trust in these men to be saved. Jesus can't save you without them. No Eternal life without association with and serving the Faithful Slave organization with headquarters in Warwick New York. Well perhaps that is what the NWT says, but I don't find this in my Bible.
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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  @Doubtfull1799

  My Dad followed the Witnesses for about 5 years, had questions which irritated the elders to the point that the PO choked him and demanded to know if he was trying to destroy his faith. That's when my Dad realized the religion was false and left the organization. All to say that I never became a Witness.

  I listed what I don't understand about Watchtower religion to encourage Witnesses in a non-threatening way to explain/justify their beliefs...in the hope that some might see there real problems with their religion.

  @Slim

  My first book is entitled, "Eternal Torment- Image and Reality" available at Amazon Books.

  https://www.amazon.ca/Eternal-Torment-Critical-Assessment-Traditional/dp/1795612878
  
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Romans 5:10 provides no bases for concluding there are two kinds of Christians, a priestly class and a non-priestly class.

  All Christians are called on to live holy lives that we might also be a "holy priesthood" (1 Peter 2:5). All believers are "kings and priests".

  Every Christian according to the Bible is holy, justified, a child of God, indwelt by the Holy Spirit and shares in one hope. The scriptures are clear on what a Christian is and possess.

  
  
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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Wonderment

  Great idea!

  My problem is time. I am working on my second book, "Good News For Jehovah’s Witnesses ".

  But perhaps someone would take up that challenge if it has not already been done.
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Re: Luke 12:32

  "Axiomatically does because only Christians are saved based on the ransom and nobody else. However Jesus refers to Christians with the heavenly hope as a little flock. Little flock compared to what?"

  The little flock refers to the apostles and first believers, of whom it was literally true.
  

  You have assumed a comparison that is not in the text.
  

  Moreover you have added to the Bible an imaginary group of Christians who are not justified, not in the New Covenant, bereft of the indwelling Holy Spirit and the heavenly hope.
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  The End of the (Jewish) World

  by fulltimestudent in

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  it really wasn't the end of the jewish world in70 ce, when the romans laid siege to jerusalem.

  jewish thought, since it had developed a philosophical (i.e.

  fictional) foundation, survived until today.

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  Vanderhoven7

  It really wasn't the END of the Jewish World in70 CE

  Well it certainly spelled the end of the Jewish system of things when their temple was destroyed and their priesthood records lost, their sacrificial system ended.
  

  Yoni Friedman writes:

  How did the practice of Judaism change following the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD?

  1. All commandments pertaining to the temple and the proper ways to worship G-d via the temple became irrelevant, of course.

  2. Many additional prayers were added in order to replace the sacrificial offerings that were regularly performed at the temple. The synagogues became the central places of worship instead of the temple, and the Rabbis became the sole representatives of the Jewish people once most of the tasks given to the priests ('kohanim') became irrelevant.

  3. Much more emphasis was placed on the study of Torah (=the Old Testament) as well as the Oral Law presented in the Mishna and Talmud, and became the most important religious act in Jewish practice.
  An excellent source: After the Destruction of the Second Temple.
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  20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

  that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

  unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Well said UTR,