Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".

however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.

your thoughts....

Vanderhoven7

Fisherman, that is helpful.

Dropoff- excellent point that I totally missed. Thanks.

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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".

however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.

your thoughts....

Vanderhoven7

Here is a conversation I am having at the moment.

B: All that we have taught is based on the Bible except for the idea that the great pyramid.

V: Bible based does not necessarily equate with biblical.

B: Prophecy to us is quite different to doctrine.

V: Doctrine based on prophecy is still doctrine. Christ’s 1874 and 1914 parousia was and is respectively based on interpretation of prophecy.

B: An exact explanation of prophecy are not necessary for salvation.

V: Will your organization baptize someone who doesn’t believe in the 1914 second presence doctrine?

B: Yes a person can be baptized if they don’t understand the reasons as to how 1914 was arrived at. It have no bearing on salvation. “

V: I’m talking about a person who rejects that Christ presence began in 1914. And he also doesn’t believe in the alleged 1918 rejection of Christendom and 1919 appointment of the Faithful Slave either…because dates are not important; they may change and they have nothing to do with baptism or salvation. So are you saying Jehovah’s Witnesses would offer Christian baptism to this person?

B: If a person has a different point of view from what ever evidence they have yes that can still be baptized as long as they don’t try to teach their different point of view.

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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".

however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.

your thoughts....

Vanderhoven7

Here is a list from the original Organized book.

1. Who is the true God?
2. What kind of God is Jehovah?
3. What does it mean to know God?
4. What does the Bible mean when it says that Jehovah requires our exclusive devotion?
5. How will Jehovah God sanctify his name? How can we have a share in it?
6. Who is Jesus Christ, and what is his position in relation to Jehovah God?
7. Why did Jesus die a sacrificial death?
8. How is the ransom an expression of God’s love for mankind?
9. How does the ransom affect us as individuals?
10. What is the holy spirit?
11. How can we benefit from the operation of that spirit today?
12. Whose ideas are recorded in the Bible? Does that mean that God personally spoke or wrote it all? Is all of it true?
13. Why should we pray, to whom, and how often?
14. About what is it proper to pray?
15. What is the kingdom of God?
16. What does it mean to “seek first the kingdom”?
17. When Christ returns, is it visibly as a man, or how?
18. How can people know when his second presence occurs?
19. What is God’s purpose for the earth?
20. How will this purpose be realized?
21. What conditions will prevail on earth in God’s new system of things?
22. Who is the Devil? What is his origin?
23. Against what spiritistic practices employed by the Devil and his demons does the Bible warn us?
24. How can we protect ourselves against the influence of these wicked spirits?
25. Why has God permitted wickedness to continue until now?
26. By what means will God destroy the wicked?
27. What is the human soul? Can it die?
28. What is sin, and how did we all become sinners?
29. What should be our attitude toward committing sins?
30. Do only those who have committed a gross sins or flagrant violations of God’s Word need to repent?
31. What is death?
32. Why do people die?
33. What future hope for life is there for one who dies?
34. How many from among mankind will be in heaven with Christ?
35. What will they do there?
36. Are Christians under the law covenant with its requirements of Sabbath keeping and sacrifice?
37. What Christian quality should outstandingly characterize our relationship with our spiritual brothers and with the members of our own families?
38. In God’s arrangement, who is head of a married woman?
39. How should a husband exercise his headship?
40. Is the wife whose husband is not a believer freed from his headship?
41. Who is responsible before God for the training and disciplining of children?
42. May a Christian have more than one living marriage mate?
43. What is the only Scriptural basis for divorce that frees one to remarry?
44. Must persons living together as husband and wife have their marriage legally registered with the government?
45. Why must lying be avoided?
46. What is the Christian view of stealing?
47. What is the Christian view of drunkenness?
48. What is God’s law concerning blood?
49. What does the Bible say about fornication, adultery, sexual relations with another person of the same sex and other loose conduct? May a person who is engaging in such practices be baptized?
50. Why is moral cleanness of all persons among Jehovah’s people important to every one of us?
51. When difficulties arise between individuals because of serious wrongs, what is the Christian way to handle the situation?
52. What action does the congregation take when a person in its midst proves to be a persistent and unrepentant violator of God’s commandments?
53. If a person in weakness commits a serious sin, but he wants to help to be restored to Jehovah’s favor, what action should he take?
54. What is the proper viewpoint to have when one is Scripturally reproved?
55. What is the fruitage of the spirit, and is it reasonable to expect a Christian to manifest this fruitage in his life?
56. How should Christians view the shortcomings of fellow believers?
57. What does the Bible say about sharing with other religius groups in worship or any of the other activities in which they engage?
58. What is the only religious celebration that Christians are commanded to observe?
59. What Bible principles should guide us in determining whether other celebrations that are popular in the community are acceptable for Christians?
60. Whom does the Bible identify as the “ruler of the world” and “the god of this system of things”?
61. What is the position of Christians as to this world alienated from God?
62. What was Jesus’ attitude toward all participation in the political affairs of the world?
63. How do Bible commands concerning idolatry affect a Christian in this modern world?
64. In the light of the following texts, what is the position of a true Christians in this world?
65. Is it necessary for a Christian to be subject to worldly rulers and to show them respect?
66. Must a Christian pay all the taxes demanded by the law?
67. Is there any circumstance under which a Christian would not obey the law?
68. Why are true Christians persecuted?
69. What are some factors to consider in determining whether certain types of employment are not proper for Christians?
70. What should always be our attitude toward the doing of Jehovah’s will?
71. Why are Christians called Jehovah’s witnesses?
72. Who or what is the “faithful and discreet slave?”
73. What is the governing body of the Christian congregation, and what purpose does it serve?
74. What attitude should Christians show toward those who serve as shepherds in the congregation?
75. Why is it beneficial to attending the meetings arranged by the congregation?
76. Why is personal study important in the life of a Christian?
77. What urgent work does the Bible set out for all Christians at this time?
78. In what various ways may this work be accomplished?
79. Is this work done in our own strength?
80. Why should one who has sincerely repented and turned around and chosen to be a disciple of Christ be baptized?

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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".

however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.

your thoughts....

Vanderhoven7

I understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be Witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "Christian baptism". However I have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the Faithful Slave.

Now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.

Will Jehovah's Witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the Watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?

Your thoughts...

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Great Sites For Watchtower INFO

by Vanderhoven7 in

if you are looking for pre-1950 watchtower mags, try.

https://wtarchive.wordpress.com/english/zions-watch-tower/.

how about pdfs.

Vanderhoven7

This site has both WT and Awake mags

https://avoidjw.org/magazines/

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Canada : Baby of Jehovah's Witness parents may receive blood transfusions

by yalbmert99 in

canada, province of québec : baby of jehovah's witness parents may receive blood transfusions.

in french, use google translate for english.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1907941/temoin-jehovah-transfusion-sang-anemie.

Vanderhoven7

Doctors needed a court order to treat a newborn baby on Wednesday in Quebec City. His parents, Jehovah's Witnesses, refused any blood transfusion for religious reasons.

A text by Yannick Bergeron

"Baby-girl", as she is referred to in court documents, was born with an abdominal mass requiring emergency surgery, according to the diagnosis of doctors at the Center Mère-Enfant de Québec (CHUL).

Without emergency intervention, specialists believe that the child could die.

Originally from Bellechasse, her parents agreed with the surgery, but refused to allow their daughter to receive any transfusion of blood products.

court judgment

The Hospital Center therefore appealed urgently to the Superior Court the day after the birth.

The settlement's motion argued that "the defendants' right to life and security of the child must take precedence over the freedom of their religious beliefs."

The judge agreed with the hospital and allowed the doctors to perform the operation. They can perform blood transfusions if needed.

I bet the parents are hapified that the decision was out of their hands

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slimboyfat & blondie made news on newshub.com

by LevelThePlayingField in

i know, how do i find this stuff, right?

the article is long, so just do a ctrl-f then type in your name... also jehovahs-witness.com mentioned in this article.

"theocratic warfare" is a contentious theological doctrine of the jehovah's witness (jw) movement in christianity.. .

Vanderhoven7

You can suspect Witnesses are lying if they answer NO to the following questions:

1 Are there any aspects of your religion that trouble you or perhaps make you uncomfortable?

2 Would you say that all other religions are essentially satanic or part of Satan's kingdom?

3. Do you believe that God is planning to destroy all other religions including the churches of Christendom along with their clergy and supporters?

4. Do you believe, perhaps with rare exceptions, that only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses have a scriptural hope of surviving Armageddon?

5. Do you believe that Jehovah's Witnesses who willfully and unrepentantly accept blood transfusions forfeit the hope of gaining eternal life?

You can suspect Witnesses are lying if they answer YES to the following questions:

6. Would you say that Witnesses are free to question and even disagree with what comes down from your religion's headquarters? (without repercussion?)

7. Do you know of any honorable way for a Jehovah's Witness to leave your religion? (In other words, can people leave the religion with their reputation intact?)

8. Do you believe that adult Jehovah's Witnesses, who either leave or are disfellowshipped from your religion, should not be shunned?

9. If you somehow lost faith in your religion's primary leadership, would you keep your faith in God and the Bible?

10. Do you believe that the gospel Jehovah's Witnesses preach is the same gospel that Paul preached?

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Sinthetic human life. No parents needed except the stem cell donor.

by Fisherman in

with this process, there is no spe&m, no egg, no conception but a developing life.

what is the world coming to?.

https://abcn.ws/3qozsjj.

Vanderhoven7

Why would Simon assume the role when he already has guys like scholar and Godbeliever onboard promoting WTS heresy?

I knew Fisherman was a fraud when he said that he prays that his great tribulation flight from Jerusalem and Judea would not be in winter or on a Sabbath day.

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Sinthetic human life. No parents needed except the stem cell donor.

by Fisherman in

with this process, there is no spe&m, no egg, no conception but a developing life.

what is the world coming to?.

https://abcn.ws/3qozsjj.

Vanderhoven7

@Punky

Fisherman has been onboard JWN for close to 20 years. He (or she) was an apostate 16 years ago judging from his dismissal of WTS blood policy posts and admitted prior Watchtower indoctrination.

Why he has now chosen to pretend to be a Witness or at least a WTS supporter is beyond me.

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Apostates apparently have their own terminology

by Vanderhoven7 in

a dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.

"those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.

“8 old men in new york”,.

Vanderhoven7

Excellent quotation Punky. Seems many Watchtowerites need to be reminded of it. Copied for future use.

Thanks.