Posts by Vanderhoven7

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ARMAGEDDON

by Lost in the fog in

can i ask please especially for all who are pomo?.

we've taken a decision similar to revelation 18:4 to get out of the watchtower and not share in its sins.. how many of you still believe that god will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an armageddon?.

Vanderhoven7

Nope

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Vanderhoven7

Julie writes

Here are just some of their teachings about 1914 over the years using their own literature.

Watchtower was dogmatic as to exactly what was going to occur in 1914. Expectations for 1914 were forcefully presented as fact, as shown in the following quotes.

"the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest" Thy Kingdom Come (1911 ed.) p.228
"the Day of Vengeance ... will end in October, 1914" The Day of Vengeance p.547
"the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination" The Time Is at Hand (1889 ed.) page 77 - page 78
"we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun" The Time Is At Hand (1889 ed.) p.101
"we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D.1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99
"October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon" Watch Tower 1911 Jun 15 p.190 (reprints p.4842)
"Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown in prophecy." Thy Kingdom Come (1891 ed.) p.153
1914 is the basis for their interpretation of the majority of other Bible prophecies. Most importantly, this was the time during which Jesus is said to have come to inspect and cleanse the Watchtower Society, resulting in Jesus choosing it in 1919 to be the only organization he works though in our time, and the only means of salvation.
The early followers were as convinced they knew what was going to happen in 1914 as current followers are convinced the Great Tribulation and Armageddon will come at any moment, resulting in the destruction of all worldly people. This is because the same manipulative terminology used prior to 1914 is still used in Watchtower publications to this day.
1914 is the pivotal date for the existence of Jehovah's Witnesses, currently explained as the date:
the Gentile times ended
Jesus started ruling in heaven
the Last Days began
The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:
The Last Days began 1799
Jesus Parousia started 1874
Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878
The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in the:

end of Armageddon
fall of false religion
end of all earthly governments
heavenly and earthly resurrections
paradise on earth

The 1914 doctrine has changed by necessity, and continued to change in the twenty first century, as it has been falsified by the progression of history. It has progressed from:

The last days started in 1799, ending in 1914.
The last days started in 1914, ending within a single lifetime/generation of those born prior to 1914.
The last days started in 1914, with an unspecified ending, after a period of an "overlapping generation."
According to the JW leaders, we’re all just one big generation overlapping to keep their 1914 teaching relevant.
Yes, the JWs bought this false teaching just like they do with all of the false teachings.

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Julie could have added the purpose for which the Awake magazine was printed until October 1995. And that is that God has promised to bring about a secure world order before those who saw the events of 1914 passed away.

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More money and meeting with 3 elders

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

so, we had this meeting with 3 elders ( larry, moe and curly) my uncle who is the lawyer sat in the room and stayed quiet, and fact for 40 minutes we let them talk.

we would just sit there.

they went into along winded monolog about how the world is in bad shape and getting worst.

Vanderhoven7

Seems to me that your uncle listened carefully and responded to the elders message appropriately. The three elders probably were reluctant to bring up the real reason for their visit because of the presence of a lawyer. And they got the tongue lashing they needed in the end as well. Good job Uncle!

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

Vanderhoven7

JWs are the only ones who would visualize WW3 positively.

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Yet another mo' money video!

by nowwhat? in

(in the what's new section) apparently jehovah is still failing to provide the necessary funds so have to beg and petition men for support even though we said we'd never do that!.

new angle, if you want to make friends with jehovah and jesus we need more of your unrighteous riches .

apparently jehovah is in the protection racket now.

Vanderhoven7

@ FNM

That's good news. I assume you have been given Power of Attorney and mandate and that you are in her will. I am sure the elders will say that they have discussed things with her and her desire is to give her money to the org. Has she been declared incompetent? Anyway, I believe that in all likelihood what her will says will stand. If you are going to meet with them as planned, it is smart that you have arranged for your lawyer to be there. If you tell them this in advance, they may cancel the meeting themselves.

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

Vanderhoven7

No...at best Ukraine will be left in tatters so Putin can claim victory.

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Yet another mo' money video!

by nowwhat? in

(in the what's new section) apparently jehovah is still failing to provide the necessary funds so have to beg and petition men for support even though we said we'd never do that!.

new angle, if you want to make friends with jehovah and jesus we need more of your unrighteous riches .

apparently jehovah is in the protection racket now.

Vanderhoven7

FNM

Hope your mom does not have any blank checks lying around the house that she can have access to.

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Another congregation closed

by hoser in

jw
friends

15 years ago there were 5 congregations now there is only one and it is still struggling.

congregations closing their doors doesn’t mean business is good.

it looks like this last one to fold had no young witnesses, they either left the religion or moved.

Vanderhoven7

Nothing but a phony promise to survive Armageddon...

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Vanderhoven7

I'm part of the genuine 1914 generation

love You💗💗😍😊🤗

🎈🎉🎂.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

Here is a slightly older video that exposes how victims are further victimized by the organization for reporting to authorities.

https://youtu.be/xw4j8JdsDek