Posts by Vanderhoven7

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The Holy Spirit

by Leolaia in

this was posted originally in the rodney dangerfield thread......

i don't really know much about the trinity other than what i was told as a jw but it does seem to me that the holy ghost is definitely running a distant third in the popularity contest.

when jws get into arguments with trinitarians, it's almost always about whether jesus is god, isn't it?

What really is UN doing with religions?

by Kosonen in

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occult un forces seek to hijack religion for globalism.

https://thenewamerican.com/occult-un-forces-seek-to-hijack-religion-for-globalism/it does not look like religions dominate un but the other way around.

journalist alex newman gives a totally different picture about the real state of affairs.

Vanderhoven7

Bahá’u’lláh, the latest and final manifestation of God has already accomplished this (uniting of all religions). So no need for the UN to re-invent the wheel.

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

Vanderhoven7

Pastor Russell concluded that the second advent took place in October of 1874.

Then he added 3 and half years and came up with 1878 as the time that Jesus began ruling as king.

Since that time it has been emphatically manifest that the time had come in A.D. 1878 when kingly judgment should begin at the house of God. It is here that Rev. 14:14-20 applies, and our Lord is brought to view as the Reaper crowned. The year A.D. 1878, being the parallel of his assuming power and authority in the type, clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord–the time of his taking to himself his great power to reign, which in the prophecy is closely associated with the resurrection of his faithful, and the beginning of the trouble and wrath upon the nations. –The Time Is At Hand, 1902, page 239.view

Believe it or not, his date works.

According to Revelation, 3 and a half times = 1260 days

Then 1 time = 360 days, the length of a prophetic year

2,520 360 day years = 2,484 solar years

Count 2,484 solar years from 607 BCE and you arrive at 1878,,,the very year Russel determined that Jesus was enthroned.

The governing body needs to take a look at this. The overlapping generation still works with this as well.

And Pastor Russell was right all along.

Three cheers for The Dawn Bible Students; the only ones who did not apostatize.

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, but apparently Watchtower religion is the closest to the truth and that's why Jesus chose the Bible Student directors in Brooklyn in 1919 to be his Faithful Slave. Read Matthew 24:45-47 if you have any doubts about that. Because if you don't believe they are the channel you will be destroyed at Armageddon. Just read the Bible and examine their record and you will see there is no excuse for not trusting the Faithful Slave today. Your salvation depends on it.

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

Vanderhoven7

Hi SV,

1934 is the date arrived at if one accepts Watchtower calculations but applies it to 587 instead of 607 for the destruction of Jerusalem.

Both dates are irrelevant and spurious to scripture.

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

Vanderhoven7

I have multiple translations Fisherman.
a Greek lexicon,
multiple commentaries
a Bible Study group that is currently studying Romans, chapter by chapter
the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide into all truth.

Christians don't need unscholarly men's changing teachings based on eisegesis to know and love both Father and Son. Nor do they need count on men who say they are appointed to guide them into saving truth. The word is sufficient for that as well as for instruction, doctrine and correction. Nor would believing or not believing in 1874, 1919 or 1934 affect that salvation in the slightest.

What does one need to know to be saved that is not found in the Bible Fisherman?

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

Vanderhoven7

Fish...I have a hard time reading any book other than the Bible.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Vanderhoven7

Fisherman

It's quite simple.

There are no dates in the Bible.

Therefore 1914 is not biblical.

1914 is based by a series of eisegetical assumptions. Consequently making 1914 or any unbiblical date a requirement for salvation or for Christian baptism is illegitimate.

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

Vanderhoven7

Mark Jones explains the Watchtower gospel much better than I can.

"The good news that Christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to God through the death of his son.

Unfortunately Jehovah’s Witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different. The good news according to the Watchtower Society is as follows:

The THE GOOD NEWS (according to Jehovah’s Witnesses)

"The gospel or good news is not a simple idea that can be expressed in one sentence.”

Michael the archangel came to earth as a Jehovah’s Witness called “Jesus” and died on a pole so that their governing body and 143,992 other specially chosen Jehovah’s Witnesses can go to heaven. 1.

3 days later, Michael (aka Jesus) was reincarnated as a hologram who looked completely different to the original Michael (aka Jesus) 2

Then for a long time he did nothing until 1919 when he chose the Watchtower society publishing company to be his channel of communication on earth. 3 He fed false information to the Watchtower leaders over the decades “as a cleansing” to sift out “those serving a date”. This is known as “new light”. 4

Since 1914 Michael (aka Jesus) has been sitting on the edge of his throne waiting for the day when Jehovah (his dad) tells him and the 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses in heaven (who are now kings up there by the way ruling over the earth) to slaughter everyone who didn't become a Jehovah’s Witness - men, women, children, babies, the disabled… you know, like a holocaust?

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." - Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." - Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "

And the only way to survive all of this is to obey the 8 leaders currently living in New York on Jehovah’s Witness donations writing ever changing doctrine about the end of the world. Because this “good news” also includes the teaching that Michael (aka Jesus) will also slaughter Jehovah’s Witnesses who didn't obey the 8 governing body member’s every word or those who didn't go out door knocking when they were suffering from cancer or infirm.

One of their more unlikable governing body members ranting about the slaughter or non members… and actual members who don't obey him enough.

The good news includes that the United Nations is going to ban religion and hunt down Jehovah’s Witnesses. Every other religion will go “Huh, ok” and go with it. The pope will hang up his hat, ISIS will put down their weapons and Christians will just stop worshiping their god. Why? Because the UN told them to.

Then, Michael will swoop down to earth as an old man holding a scepter along with some angels (who are the reincarnated governing body) and slaughter everybody who isn't a Jehovah’s Witness. The police will try to shoot Michael but the bullets will pass right through him.

After this Jehovah (Michael’s dad) will get the birds to eat the rotting corpses of non-Jehovah’s Witnesses while the survivors dismantle all of the buildings (by hand) and live in a socialist utopia where everyone lives in a tree house, owns an exotic animal and passes fruit to each other for all eternity.

I’m not making this up. This is legit what Jehovah’s Witness believe.

[Actual video shown to members at their 2019 convention.]

In short - “god is going to kill you. But he might (might) spare you if you obey the 8 governing body members of Jehovah’s Witnesses and agree to peddle their writings door to door for free.”

Can you find in the bible where Jesus or his apostles taught any of that?

Cults tend not to tell your their entire beliefs in one go like I just did because if they did you’d likely see it as a mad doomsday cult that destroys families or something.

You know, like a mad doomsday cult that destroys families?

Footnotes

[1] https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/go-to-heaven/

[2] https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

[3] https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/teaching-boxes/why-1919/

[4] https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993039

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, Watchtower has been consistent. It has been consistently wrong interpreting biblical prophecy and consistently unable to demonstrate their unique doctrines are biblical.