Posts by Vanderhoven7

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vanderhoven7

@Hopeless,

My heart goes out to you. No child should have to go through what you experienced. How did you break away from the religion and at what further cost?

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Vanderhoven7

Just picked this up:

Deuteronomy 14:21 says: “You must not eat any animal that was found dead.”

Yet, Leviticus 11:40 reads: “He who eats any of its dead body will wash his garments, and he must be unclean until the evening.” Similarly, Leviticus 17:15, 16 says: “If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean. But if he does not wash them and does not bathe himself, he will answer for his error.”

Is there any contradiction or discrepancies here? No. The verses explain themselves in context. The first text repeats the prohibition against eating an animal found dead, perhaps one that was killed by wild beasts. (Exodus 22:31; Leviticus 22:8) The next two explains what an Israelite might have done if he violated that prohibition, possibly by accident.The fact that something was prohibited by the Law did not mean that the prohibition would not at some time be ignored. For example, there were laws against stealing, murder, bearing false witness, and so forth. At the same time, there were penalties for breaking those divinely given laws. Such penalties gave force to the laws and showed how serious they were

A person who transgressed the prohibition against eating the flesh of an animal found dead would be unclean in Jehovah’s eyes and would have to undergo the proper procedure for cleansing. If he failed to cleanse himself properly, he would have to “answer for his error.”—Leviticus 17:15, 16. Clearly, those verses are not giving permission to eat a dead animal. They are like the sign that says:

It's definitely not posted to give authorization for people who need to test their eyesight!

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vanderhoven7

You guys make me laugh!

TRAGIC EQUATION…OF AMERICAN CHRISTIANITY | Moore Engaging

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vanderhoven7

I personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls. I did not enjoy any of them nor was I impressed by anything that was conveyed. Perhaps others did not find them boring as I did.

Nadia Viotto has this to say about her experience.

"Because it’s the same robotic rhetoric for over 100 years. The same recycled topics over and over again. Many people sit there on their cell phones tuning it out. The repetition is painful. Listen and obey the governing body. Do what they say. Believe what they say. Don’t think for yourself. Don’t read the Bible without the watchtower publications. Don’t critically think for yourself. It’s a system of spiritual death. You are not learning anthing new. You are being constantly indoctrinated into the doctrines of MENBecause it’s the same robotic rhetoric for over 100 years. The same recycled topics over and over again. Many people sit there on their cell phones tuning it out. The repetition is painful. Listen and obey the governing body. Do what they say. Believe what they say. Don’t think for yourself. Don’t read the Bible without the watchtower publications. Don’t critically think for yourself. It’s a system of spiritual death. You are not learning anthing new. You are being constantly indoctrinated into the doctrines of MEN. The Octopope in NY. The new light teaching is a hoax.

“A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New light” never extinguishes older “light,” but adds to it. Zion’s Watchtower. Feb 1881 p.3

New light on secret knowledge, is from late Babylonian culture and is a Gnostic concept.

They need to stop using this as an excuse for getting it wrong the first time.

If what is being taught as truth changes; meaning it doesn’t hold the same viewpoint; and goes in the total opposite direction of the “new understanding” which is now the new “Truth”. This means what is being taught now as truth makes the previous thing being taught by default… a lie.”

“Because they can’t admit they are false prophets they have to say that God reveals things gradually that there’s a perpetual revelation of light getting brighter. True prophets of God got it right all the time. This is backed up in Deut 18:22. “

This is not spiritual food. It’s spiritual death. There’s so much more to the Bible and learning what’s inside of it without Watchtower publications. Jesus used the word of God not Watchtower publications. This is all his true followers need.

Free yourself from this boring enslavement to these men and this false corporation and high control group.

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Are the statistics out yet?

by slimboyfat in

isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

or have they stopped publishing it?

did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

Vanderhoven7

Just picked this up from Grant Davis

This is the decrease in the rate of growth since 1995. These figures have been taken from Watchtower’s publications and website.

This is the Ex JW Sub Reddit from 2013. Taken from Reddit.com

If the growth in JWs is declining and the apostate growth increasing all the time, this might answer your question.

It’s worth bearing in mind that every single JW publisher is recorded in their figures while not every apostate joins Reddit meaning the apostate growth rate is probably considerably larger.

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Hell, what is it

by Anony Mous in

so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.

and the bible provides confirmation for this.

at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.

Vanderhoven7

@ PeacefulPete

As you know I accept the Bible as the word of God. I deal with every passage in both the Old and New Testament in my book that relates to temporary and final punishment of the wicked. You mentioned Lazarus and the Rich Man so I am attaching a video I published recently on that account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y-p9Ol_Shs&t=776s

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Hell, what is it

by Anony Mous in

so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.

and the bible provides confirmation for this.

at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.

Vanderhoven7

@ DJW

My book, "Eternal Torment-Image and Reality" available on Amazon.com, does not deal with the state of the dead or the resurrection. It focuses only on scripture related to temporary and especially eternal torment of the wicked.

My personal view is that the righteous and unrighteous, pre and post crucifiction, are asleep and therefore are not totally extinguished. At the judgment, all will be awakened, some to life and immortality and some to judgment during the millennium period.

I see Lazarus and the Rich Man as a parody of Pharisaic beliefs, in which the Pharisees end up in the very hell they used to control the common people.

Hope that helps.

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What makes the Watchtower Society essential to Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

is the watchtower society and watchtower literature essential for salvation according to jehovah's witnesses?.

ii timothy 3:15–17 that tells us that the word is sufficient for salvation and holiness, that the man of god might be perfect, thoroughly furnished for good works?.

people became christians, i.e., were justified and lived holy lives long before the watchtower society came on the scene.

Vanderhoven7

Is the Watchtower Society and Watchtower literature essential for salvation according to Jehovah's Witnesses?

II Timothy 3:15–17 that tells us that the word is sufficient for salvation and holiness, that the man of God might be perfect, thoroughly furnished for good works?

People became Christians, i.e., were justified and lived holy lives long before the Watchtower Society came on the scene. Do Witnesses think people can still be justified today and live Holy lives having and following the Bible.. without ever seeing any Watchtower literature?

If not, at what point in time did the Bible become insufficient for salvation and holy living?

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Hell, what is it

by Anony Mous in

so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.

and the bible provides confirmation for this.

at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.

Vanderhoven7

There is not a single verse in scripture which suggests that human souls are immortal.

There is only one verse of scripture which juxtaposes eternal and torment. However it is found in a symbolic book in a verse pregnant with imagery and does not include a single human being. Revelation 20:10.

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Should Jehovah's Witnesses Trust the Governing Body?

by Vanderhoven7 in

if there is evidence that jesus invisibly chose specific men at headquarters in brooklyn new york in 1919 to be his faithful slave and that mandate and ability passed on to future directors...then the answer might just be a resounding maybe.. what is the evidence for this invisible appointment and what is the evidence that this is just watchtower mythology?.

i hope jws like scholar and fisherman will explain why the trust the gb.. i must be honest, i see no evidence at all to put trust in either the 1919 selection or the current men taking the lead in warwick.

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Vanderhoven7

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. 9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.