10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
My doctor got very upset with me after he told me to abstain from meat and I went ahead and had a liver transplant. đ
Watchtower acknowledges that blood transfusions are organ transplants.
The Bible makes it clear that it is sinful to transplant organs that contain billions of donor white blood cells....but since 1980 Jehovah Witnesses encourage disobedience to God's primary component laws.
i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.
i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.
perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.
@Hopeless
I see that the effects of the organization in your situation are ongoing and inescapable. I suppose that is why you selected the "Hopeless1" moniker. As a Christian, I see Christ as the Hope of the Hopeless and like you do not view any religious organization as being the unique expression of God and His Christ. I believe Jesus saves and sanctifies independent of men who claim to be God's sole spokesmen on earth.
Have you read Crisis of Conscience or In Search of Christian Freedom? You mentioned the Rutherford era. A really good Watchtower apostate in my books, Meleti Vivlon, has dealt with this part of Watchtower history including the presidencies of Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, through interviews with James Penton. Check these out if you have time and interest.
I wish you God's best in 2023,
Rick
https://youtu.be/20dNBzpgRNc (part 1)
https://youtu.be/NHMGyC_h1LM (part 2)
10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
Thanks Pete! That's helpful.
i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.
i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.
perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.
@Hopeless,
My heart goes out to you. No child should have to go through what you experienced. How did you break away from the religion and at what further cost?
10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.
i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.
perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.
You guys make me laugh!
i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.
i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.
perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.
I personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls. I did not enjoy any of them nor was I impressed by anything that was conveyed. Perhaps others did not find them boring as I did.
Nadia Viotto has this to say about her experience.
"Because itâs the same robotic rhetoric for over 100 years. The same recycled topics over and over again. Many people sit there on their cell phones tuning it out. The repetition is painful. Listen and obey the governing body. Do what they say. Believe what they say. Donât think for yourself. Donât read the Bible without the watchtower publications. Donât critically think for yourself. Itâs a system of spiritual death. You are not learning anthing new. You are being constantly indoctrinated into the doctrines of MENBecause itâs the same robotic rhetoric for over 100 years. The same recycled topics over and over again. Many people sit there on their cell phones tuning it out. The repetition is painful. Listen and obey the governing body. Do what they say. Believe what they say. Donât think for yourself. Donât read the Bible without the watchtower publications. Donât critically think for yourself. Itâs a system of spiritual death. You are not learning anthing new. You are being constantly indoctrinated into the doctrines of MEN. The Octopope in NY. The new light teaching is a hoax.
âA new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. âNew lightâ never extinguishes older âlight,â but adds to it. Zionâs Watchtower. Feb 1881 p.3
New light on secret knowledge, is from late Babylonian culture and is a Gnostic concept.
They need to stop using this as an excuse for getting it wrong the first time.
If what is being taught as truth changes; meaning it doesnât hold the same viewpoint; and goes in the total opposite direction of the ânew understandingâ which is now the new âTruthâ. This means what is being taught now as truth makes the previous thing being taught by default⌠a lie.â
âBecause they canât admit they are false prophets they have to say that God reveals things gradually that thereâs a perpetual revelation of light getting brighter. True prophets of God got it right all the time. This is backed up in Deut 18:22. â
This is not spiritual food. Itâs spiritual death. Thereâs so much more to the Bible and learning whatâs inside of it without Watchtower publications. Jesus used the word of God not Watchtower publications. This is all his true followers need.
Free yourself from this boring enslavement to these men and this false corporation and high control group.
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isnât it about time they released the report for the service year?
or have they stopped publishing it?
did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?
Just picked this up from Grant Davis
This is the decrease in the rate of growth since 1995. These figures have been taken from Watchtowerâs publications and website.
This is the Ex JW Sub Reddit from 2013. Taken from Reddit.com
If the growth in JWs is declining and the apostate growth increasing all the time, this might answer your question.
Itâs worth bearing in mind that every single JW publisher is recorded in their figures while not every apostate joins Reddit meaning the apostate growth rate is probably considerably larger.
so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the âlow plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.â there was also the âgate of the ash-heaps,â a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.âânehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
@ PeacefulPete
As you know I accept the Bible as the word of God. I deal with every passage in both the Old and New Testament in my book that relates to temporary and final punishment of the wicked. You mentioned Lazarus and the Rich Man so I am attaching a video I published recently on that account.
so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the âlow plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.â there was also the âgate of the ash-heaps,â a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.âânehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
@ DJW
My book, "Eternal Torment-Image and Reality" available on Amazon.com, does not deal with the state of the dead or the resurrection. It focuses only on scripture related to temporary and especially eternal torment of the wicked.
My personal view is that the righteous and unrighteous, pre and post crucifiction, are asleep and therefore are not totally extinguished. At the judgment, all will be awakened, some to life and immortality and some to judgment during the millennium period.
I see Lazarus and the Rich Man as a parody of Pharisaic beliefs, in which the Pharisees end up in the very hell they used to control the common people.
Hope that helps.
