EXBP, I have just as much of a personal relationship with Gabriel as I do with Michael. How about you?
Vanderhoven7
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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inhi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inhi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
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Vanderhoven7
Hi EXBP,
I admire your tenacity.
I answered the original question regarding the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. The first century Christians fulfilled that prediction.
Now who is preaching the gospel around the world today? That would be the twenty-first century Christians.
Unfortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching a different gospel and a different Jesus than the first century Christians preached. They are in fact preaching a non-salvific gospel and an unrelatable Jesus leaving 8.5 million members unsaved orphans without any kind of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inhi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
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Vanderhoven7
Hi EXBP
Congratulations for sticking around despite contrary views being expressed.
"Vander who who else do you think is trying to talk about the kingdom to every tribe?"
Good question. The following is an excerpt from The Watchtower of May 1, 1999 (p. 11,12) which contains some elements of sound interpretation and I believe will help answer your question.
"In the years leading up to 66 C.E., Christians would have seen many of the preliminary elements of the composite sign being fulfilled-wars, famines, even an extensive preaching of the good news of the Kingdom. (Acts 11:28; Colossians 1:23) When, though, would the end come? What did Jesus mean when he said: 'This generation [Greek, ge.ne.a'] will not pass away'? Jesus had often called the contemporaneous mass of opposing Jews, including religious leaders, 'a wicked, adulterous generation.' (Matthew 11:16; 12:39, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36) So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of "this generation," he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were "a chosen race." (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that "this generation" is a period of time.
Rather, Jesus had in mind the opposing Jews back then who would experience the fulfillment of the sign he gave. Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God. . . . [It refers] to people who stubbornly turn their backs on the divine purpose." *
The wicked generation of Jewish opposers who could observe the sign being fulfilled would also experience the end. (Matthew 24:6, 13, 14) And that they did! In 70 C.E., the Roman army returned, led by Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian. The suffering of the Jews who were again bottled up in the city is almost beyond belief." Eyewitness Flavius Josephus reports that by the time the Romans demolished the city, about 1,100,000 Jews had died and some 100,000 were taken captive, most of those soon to perish horribly from starvation or in Roman theaters. Truly, the tribulation of 66-70 C.E. was the greatest that Jerusalem and the Jewish system had ever experienced or would ever experience. How different the outcome was for Christians who had heeded Jesus' prophetic warning and had left Jerusalem after the departure of the Roman armies in 66 C.E.!" -
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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inhi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..
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Vanderhoven7
Hi EXBPima,
Welcome aboard.
I believe the Bible is the word of God as well.
However, I also believe the WTS is not fulfilling Matthew 24:14 in any way,
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Being embarrassed by a JW when you were a JW
by punkofnice ini was out on the ministry(tm) in the 1980's when i was pie-on-earring.
i was only a lowly publisher(tm) being coached by a rather odd elder(tm).. one of the publications(tm) had recently mentioned japan and the growth(tm) of jws there.. the elder(tm), brother(tm) i was with offered the magazines(tm) to the householder(tm).. then he stated, 'there are (gave the reported numbers at the time.
i can't remember the number he stated), jehovah's witnesses(tm) in japan.'.
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Vanderhoven7
I've met a few of those. One claimed to be 'anointed(tm)', which I now think simply means 'bonkers'.
I think Watchtower agreed with that diagnosis at one point when heaven's gates were still closed in 1935.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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Vanderhoven7
Maxine Chevallier writes:
Jehovah “Removed him”. Mr. Morris has been DELETED.
Tony Morris is now a “small one and no longer a great one” in the eyes of the brothers and sisters. As if it ever made an ounce of any real difference.
He was harsh, bitterly critical of opposers and Apostates, ex-members who he called Jehovah enemies, gesturing one day with a match they would all vanish in a flash.
Morriss was swiftly and suddenly “DELETED” removed from Holy Office as jJehovahSpokesperson amongst the others inside the Governing Body of Elders. His name and Internet details and files have been speedily and most swiftly changed when compared with the time it took to change others who had left or retired from position…
This means in JW ORG “speak” but ONE dreadful thing. brother Morris must have been DELETED, Removed from Watchtower HQ by reason of undergoing a Judicial Committee action hearing, possibly for matters involving Alcoholism and causing serious “embarrassment” to Jehovah.
Anthony Morris is yesterday’s man. His Career in Jehovah’s Spirit Directed Organization has hit a terminal roadblock, a rock on the road upon which he has stumbled and fallen, and Satan Rejoices…Or so it will be said behind closed doors at Watchtower World headquarters.
Whether this is truly the last we have heard of Anthony Morris remains to be seen. Unconfirmed rumors speak of a possible link to a forthcoming high profile Child Sodomy abuse case nanamingnd implicating him (and by definition the rest of JJehovahFaithfull and Discreet slave calsclasster known by their earthly name as “The Governing Body of Elders”.
it is not beyond the realms of possibility that WTBTS Society Deleted Morris because he is shortly to be indicted by the US Federal court and orders for very punitive and expensive compensation payments against the Watchtower are about to be made
Jehovah does not like getting caught with his trousers down, so he has fired Morris and hopes to ride out the storm by saying he was NOT part of us when convicted.
In short, WTBTS seeks to EVADE Child abuse court compensation payment orders by firing Morris ahead of schedule and saving Millions which instead they have just “conveniently” invested in totally unnecessary office administration complexes in the New York States Oyster bay region.
Mere coincidence? Doubtful but we shall wait and see….
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JWs and Prepping
by TD inthe jws i know (which admittedly are more liberal than most) are suddenly into prepping to one degree or another.
some have simply assembled "go bags" with basic common sense supplies in case they need to bug out in the event of a natural disaster and others seem to be seriously into it, almost to the degree to which mormons are.
backup generators and a year's supply of food and water).
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Vanderhoven7
What about the shotgun to ward off hungry animals only, especially the ones that try to steal your generators and leave you in the dark.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-29-2013 WT Study (GB = FDS)
by blondie infaithful slave over them?.
faithful slave.
the faithful slave?.
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Vanderhoven7
Just checked out Blondie's masterpiece and will add this bit I found.
WT 2013 7/15 p.22-23 “When did Jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics? To answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season. As we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be Christian. From which group would Jesus select and appoint the faithful slave? That question was answered after he and his Father came and inspected the temple, or spiritual arrangement for worship, from 1914 to the early part of 1919.* (Mal. 3:1) They were pleased with a small band of loyal Bible Students who showed that their heart was with Jehovah and his Word. Of course, they needed some cleansing, but they humbly responded during a brief period of testing and refining. (Mal. 3:2-4) Those faithful Bible Students were true Christian wheat. In 1919, a time of spiritual revival, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers from among them to be the faithful and discreet slave and appointed them over his domestics.”
Interesingly when supposedly 'selected', the 'Bible Students' were teaching that:
- Jesus was made king in 1878
- The archangel Michael is the Pope
- ‘Sleeping saints’ were resurrected to heaven in 1878
- Russell was the ‘faithful and wise servant’
- The Great Pyramid of Giza confirms biblical chronology
- Christmas should be celebrated
- The ‘time of the end’ began in 1799
- That Armageddon would happen in 1925 and the gradual general resurrection would be well underway in 1926
- The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal
- The ‘great company’ (great crowd) has a heavenly hope
- Christ’s presence began in 1874
- Jesus died on a cross
- Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE
- Congregation discipline should be determined by the whole congregation
- The prohibition on eating blood is only a “suggestion” to gentile Christians
- Birthdays should be celebrated
- ‘This generation’ refers to those alive during 1914
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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Anthony Moriss nervous breakdowns and Bethel stress!
by Witness 007 inso karl klien of the governing body gave his life story in the watchtower talking about his stress, nervous breakdowns and pressure to take the lead.
it was aweful.
maybe anthony had the same problem..
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Vanderhoven7
Yes, I'm guessing he had a mental breakdown. The booze wasn't as effective anymore masking the cognitive dissonance. Perhaps because he was forced to detox at the threat of disfellowship.