Posts by Vanderhoven7

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questions to ask your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR

by jwfacts in

i have just written the following (long) article.

i would appreciate comments and suggestions on things i can add or subtract.. .

baptism as one of jehovahs witnesses is a significant step as it is a life time commitment to the watchtower society.

Vanderhoven7

Reanimating this thread. Some good questions to ask Witnesses here.

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Hi Elmer,

That could very well be. Thanks.

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Yes, there is no such thing as the true religious organization. Come to the Faithful Slave organization for salvation is blasphemy at best.

Jesus says, "come unto me and I will give you rest" (salvation, deliverance and redemption).

No one needs a man made, man run religion or organization to be saved and sanctified by the blood of Christ and indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.

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JW Publishers Please Let Your Articles Be Based on Facts not Opinion

by Daniel tells the Naked Truth in

whoever published this article should strive to get his or her facts straight.

the gospel should not be preached based on people's opinion rather it should be preached as a message, just as it is.

this article implies that astrology, fortune telling, divination and fortune telling as being all wrong and all.

Vanderhoven7

The heavens declare the glory of God.

Story in the Stars: https://youtu.be/O68gs8ueSAw

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Hi EXBP

Not only is the Watchtower gospel and the Watchtower Jesus unbiblical, but so is every doctrine which is unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. So the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is speculation based, including its eschatology and soteriology.

In other words, it's made up. So what they have some truth, such as the fact that the human soul is mortal and death, rather than eternal torment is the punishment for sin. Other church's have these truths as well.

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

EXBP, I have just as much of a personal relationship with Gabriel as I do with Michael. How about you?

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Hi EXBP,

I admire your tenacity.

I answered the original question regarding the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. The first century Christians fulfilled that prediction.

Now who is preaching the gospel around the world today? That would be the twenty-first century Christians.

Unfortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching a different gospel and a different Jesus than the first century Christians preached. They are in fact preaching a non-salvific gospel and an unrelatable Jesus leaving 8.5 million members unsaved orphans without any kind of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Hi EXBP

Congratulations for sticking around despite contrary views being expressed.

"Vander who who else do you think is trying to talk about the kingdom to every tribe?"

Good question. The following is an excerpt from The Watchtower of May 1, 1999 (p. 11,12) which contains some elements of sound interpretation and I believe will help answer your question.

"In the years leading up to 66 C.E., Christians would have seen many of the preliminary elements of the composite sign being fulfilled-wars, famines, even an extensive preaching of the good news of the Kingdom. (Acts 11:28; Colossians 1:23) When, though, would the end come? What did Jesus mean when he said: 'This generation [Greek, ge.ne.a'] will not pass away'? Jesus had often called the contemporaneous mass of opposing Jews, including religious leaders, 'a wicked, adulterous generation.' (Matthew 11:16; 12:39, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36) So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of "this generation," he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were "a chosen race." (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that "this generation" is a period of time.

Rather, Jesus had in mind the opposing Jews back then who would experience the fulfillment of the sign he gave. Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God. . . . [It refers] to people who stubbornly turn their backs on the divine purpose." *

The wicked generation of Jewish opposers who could observe the sign being fulfilled would also experience the end. (Matthew 24:6, 13, 14) And that they did! In 70 C.E., the Roman army returned, led by Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian. The suffering of the Jews who were again bottled up in the city is almost beyond belief." Eyewitness Flavius Josephus reports that by the time the Romans demolished the city, about 1,100,000 Jews had died and some 100,000 were taken captive, most of those soon to perish horribly from starvation or in Roman theaters. Truly, the tribulation of 66-70 C.E. was the greatest that Jerusalem and the Jewish system had ever experienced or would ever experience. How different the outcome was for Christians who had heeded Jesus' prophetic warning and had left Jerusalem after the departure of the Roman armies in 66 C.E.!"

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Vanderhoven7

Hi EXBPima,

Welcome aboard.

I believe the Bible is the word of God as well.

However, I also believe the WTS is not fulfilling Matthew 24:14 in any way,

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Being embarrassed by a JW when you were a JW

by punkofnice in

i was out on the ministry(tm) in the 1980's when i was pie-on-earring.

i was only a lowly publisher(tm) being coached by a rather odd elder(tm).. one of the publications(tm) had recently mentioned japan and the growth(tm) of jws there.. the elder(tm), brother(tm) i was with offered the magazines(tm) to the householder(tm).. then he stated, 'there are (gave the reported numbers at the time.

i can't remember the number he stated), jehovah's witnesses(tm) in japan.'.

Vanderhoven7

I've met a few of those. One claimed to be 'anointed(tm)', which I now think simply means 'bonkers'.

I think Watchtower agreed with that diagnosis at one point when heaven's gates were still closed in 1935.