JWs believe that 99% of Christians don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit, nor are they adopted sons of our heavenly Father.
Vanderhoven7
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What is wrong with Watchtower Soteriology?
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm making a list.
1. salvation is redefined for the majority of members from justification to survival into a new system..
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What is wrong with Watchtower Soteriology?
by Vanderhoven7 ini'm making a list.
1. salvation is redefined for the majority of members from justification to survival into a new system..
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I'm making a list
1. Salvation is redefined for the majority of members from justification to survival into a new system.
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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?
by Sea Breeze inwe all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.
my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.
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Vanderhoven7
Whether you wake up immediately at death or wait till the resurrection, you will have the exact same reaction. Either way, the next conscious moment after death, you will face the inevitable.
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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?
by Sea Breeze inwe all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.
my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.
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Vanderhoven7
I don't see one scripture which indicates that the human soul is innately immortal. The mortal soul puts on immortality only after the resurrection.
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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?
by Sea Breeze inwe all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.
my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Seabreeze,
Regarding your list of scriptures to prove conscious life immediately after death; almost all relate to punishment after the resurrection. Consequently, they are irrelevant to the subject of consciousness prior to the resurrection. There is one exception and that is the Lukian account of Lazarus and the Rich Man which happens to be a parody of the Pharisees as is the preceding account of the master congratulating the conniving dishonest steward.
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CSA Victom Speaks Out
by LostintheFog1999 ini happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week.
you feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced csa and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.. https://fb.watch/j1qacgxphi/.
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Vanderhoven7
J.V. shared
JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
WA State House committee held a hearing on WA SB 5280 re: Clergy mandated reporting.
3 EX JW Heroes shared testimony about the jehovah’s witnesses cult’s horrendous child sexual abuse.
I couldn’t be more happy.
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COVID 19 - DISSOCIATION LETTER
by gavindlt indear friends,.
i think you all know me as a person who has always strived, despite my imperfections to only ever wanting to be and remain in the “truth”.
it is in fact what i so desperately want for my son ashton and my baby girl honey bee, to be lovers of truth and grow up to be a loyal servants of jehovah god and his son, jesus christ.
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Vanderhoven7
Excellent OP! A real keeper. Hope many will be swayed to examine their faith in men.
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UNDERSTANDING WHY THE ORGANIZATION is a false idol and a BLASPHEMY
by Terry indo we understand these three words: worship, idolatry, and blasphemy?.
most christians have a vague notion of worship, idolatry, and blasphemy already, but.
a clear definition is necessary.. we must take care to differentiate, however.. how the words appear in original language and how they are defined today might be at odds.. ____________________.
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Vanderhoven7
Nothing to see here - move along.
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Shunning and persecution
by Vanderhoven7 injws see shunning as a loving provision.
but if a mennonite gal is shunned by her parents and friends for converting to jwism, would this be seen as a loving provision or as evidence of persecution?
how about parents beating a daughter who converted to jehovah's witnesses?.
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Vanderhoven7
Thanks for sharing your situation Stan. Can't wait for Watchtower religion to implode and families restored.
Greg Tuckett writes about some issues with fading.
"I must say this seems to depend on your congregation or area you live in. I was a publisher and never got baptized, but a few friends of mine who also drifted away were pretty much left alone to do so. I did have a few elders pester me into coming back when I would bump into them, but I chose not to explain my reasons why because I knew it would most likely put my family who was still part of the congregation in a difficult position, most likely being viewed as bad associations by association if you know what I mean.
But saying that, I have known others who belonged to different congregations who have been pestered by the elders until they have given the reasons why they have left, and this always leads to them being disfellowshipped. Unfortunately, this seems to be the case more often than not and was the very reason I started questioning the beliefs in the first place.
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Shunning and persecution
by Vanderhoven7 injws see shunning as a loving provision.
but if a mennonite gal is shunned by her parents and friends for converting to jwism, would this be seen as a loving provision or as evidence of persecution?
how about parents beating a daughter who converted to jehovah's witnesses?.
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Graeme Hammond writes
In his 2002 book that examined the behaviour and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses, English sociologist Andrew Holden devoted an entire chapter to the trauma and friction experienced by those who choose to leave the Jehovah’s Witness religion. “Those who do eventually break free,” he concluded, “are seldom allowed a dignified exit.”
He noted: “As far as the Governing Body is concerned, there is no difference between those who leave the Watch Tower community voluntarily and those who are disfellowshipped.”
Though the Watch Tower Society denies it, those who who choose to depart are shunned by family and friends. This, as Holden says, can create enormous problems given that JWs are urged to limit their contact with the outside world for fear of “spiritual contamination”.
There are three exit doors for Jehovah’s Witnesses:
- Disfellowshipping, as a result of a judicial committee, a shocking kangaroo court process that results in organised shunning, with even verbal greetings prohibited;
- Disassociation, a voluntary but formal cutting of ties with the congregation and religion, which attracts the same response from the congregation; and
- “Fading”, in which JWs gradually reduce their contact with the congregation before ceasing attendance entirely, hoping their absence won’t be missed.
Those who do “fade” however, not only often find that they are shunned by former friends anyway, but that their new life of independence — which may include celebrating Christmas, attending a different church, engaging in premarital sex or criticising their former religion — can result in being summoned to a judicial committee with the likely result of being disfellowshipped. Jehovah’s Witnesses regard baptism as a lifelong commitment to the church, and therefore lifelong subjection to the authority of elders.
Non-believers (those who have never joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses) are not formally shunned; they are simply avoided as “bad association”.