Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

So clear lastmanstanding. Don't know why I didn't see this before. Then we have to be really worried because the King of the east will abom-our-nation's headquarters in New York in the very near future. It's all there in black and white.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Vanderhoven7

So you see we can make the Bible say whatever we want it to mean.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Vanderhoven7

You have it all wrong. The last days started in 1960.

THE SEVENTIETH WEEK OF DANIEL
Did you notice exactly here just before Mr. Eisenhower went out, the last Protestant of America in the--in the president, which I doubt there'll ever be another one, but--but when... Just to show that... Just if people would wake up. When he met, there were... The last meeting that they--he met with Russia, there were five eastern communistic countries represented, five western countries. Mr. Khrushchev was the head of the eastern countries; Mr. Eisenhower was the head of the western countries. And Khrushchev, as I understand and been told, that in Russia, the language, "Khrushchev" means "clay," and "Eisenhower" means "iron," in English. There's your iron and clay will not mix. And he pulled off his shoe and beat the stand with it and everything else. It won't mix. But it's in the days of these empires that the rock Stone, that was hewed out of the mountain without hands, smote the image in the feet.

Respectable newspapers reported this event. The one genuine photograph we have from UPI (United Press International) shows Khrushchev with one of his tight new shoes on his delegate's desk or table.

So Khrushchev did take off his shoe and did put it on his desk or table.

The red oval indicates his shoe on the delegate's table or desk.

But this removal of his shoe dramatically brought the idea of the foot to the attention of the world. Taking off the shoe reveals the foot.

So this is proof that the last days started in 1960. Now that we are in the end time, we need a revelation of the seven church ages that form the feet of the Gentile image.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Vanderhoven7

Paul writing to first century Christians says "…

(God) who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col.1:13-17

Christ was made king in century one...post ascension.

The toes represented the Roman Empire

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Vanderhoven7

The last days started in the first century according to Joel.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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What happens when people are shunned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

by Black Sheep in

an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.

Vanderhoven7

My take is that ultimately, unless they repent of things like celebrating Christmas or birthdays with their families, smoking, or socializing with a disfellowshipped parent, child or sibling, they will be destroyed at Armageddon.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Vanderhoven7

God alone has immortality. He has given or will give immortality to his faithful angels...and He will bestow the same to faithful believers at the resurrection. The question is

When will he grant immortality to the wicked so they can be tortured forever in the lake of fire?

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Vanderhoven7

Matt.25:31-33, 41-46; The Parable of The Sheep and The Goats:

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left... Then He will say to those on His left, DEPART from me you who are cursed, INTO THE ETERNAL FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and ye did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me."

They will answer, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?"

He will reply, "I tell you the truth, Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

THEN THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, BUT THE RIGHTEOUS TO ETERNAL LIFE.

Most will no doubt agree that the judgment scene in this parable and resulting punishment is final. But

- Is Eternal Torment explicitly taught in this parable? OR

- Is Eternal Torment demanded by the imagery in this passage?

IMAGERY: There are two basic images used in this passage that have been traditionally interpreted to denote torment - "eternal punishment", and "eternal Fire. Now I think it would be fair to conclude from the text that Eternal Fire and Eternal Punishment are equivalent terms because eternal punishment in this parable is represented as a banishment into eternal fire. But do either of these combinations necessitate conscious suffering?

WHAT ABOUT "ETERNAL PUNISHMENT": Does the word "punishment" or the words "eternal" and "punishment" together imply or necessitate torment?

To Punish (according to Webster's) is

1. to impose a penalty on for a fault or crime.

2. to inflict a penalty for (i.e.. treason with death)

3. to inflict injury on: syn. chasten, discipline, correct.

The Greek "kolasis", used only twice in the New Testament, is the word translated "punishment" in this text. Its primary signification is to "cut off" or prune or lop off; its secondary meaning is to restrain. The primary meaning here would suggest that while the righteous go to life, the wicked are forever deprived of or "cut off" from life. About kolasis, Fudge says;

The Septuagint puts 'kolasis' for mikshol, which means a stumbling block that leads to ruin. The word Jesus uses is applied to the Egyptian plague (Wisdom of Sol.11:13; 16:2; 24) but also to their death in the Red Sea (Wisdom of Sol.19:4).

It refers to punishment by death in I Samuel 25:31 and Ezekiel 21:15. "Punishment" may certainly include conscious pain, as in all the examples above, but it does not have to. The same word is applied to an idol of wood or stone in Wisdom of Solomon 14:10, which says that, "that which was made [idol] shall be punished together with him that made it"

- Could the "eternal punishment" of the wicked simply be "eternal death" or "everlasting destruction"?

WHAT ABOUT ETERNAL FIRE: Does "eternal fire" clearly denote either conscious experience, or a continual burning flame which causes endless suffering? Or could "eternal fire" simply be a metaphor for eternal destruction? Interestingly, because something is eternal/everlasting in scripture does not necessitate endless perpetuity of action. For example, the scripture speaks of "Eternal Judgment", Hebrews 6:2, not in the sense that the final judgment scene will be reenacted day after day for eternity, but that a final judgment will be made that will have eternal consequences for the wicked.

- Similarly, rather than denoting an endless process of ongoing torture, could "eternal fire" be descriptive of a destruction which is unending in the sense that it is eternally irreversible?

- In other words, could the consequences of the fire be eternal and not the burning process itself?

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Deleting Elders Watchtower Style

by Vanderhoven7 in

the only spirit-directed organization on earth never ceases to amaze me.. https://www.youtube.com/live/0u2ohrbdm-c?feature=share.

Vanderhoven7

Below is a dramatic training 10 minute video(only partial) for elders which shows what is being taught regarding how this exact situation should be handled....posted by MM

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https://gab.com/MenacingMistral/posts/110871769081258481