Posts by Vanderhoven7

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WT History Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is a clear presentation of watchtower history.

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https://youtu.be/u5jnngqqyvc?si=lbuyopdr-n5sji47.

Vanderhoven7

I watched this again and I think the video is excellent.

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

There should be amnesty for every JW that refused alternate service because they were under theocratic duress at the time. The WT leaders should have spent the time in prison, not the rank and file. Many experienced the consequences of putting their trust in men who make up commandments to the detriment of the flock.

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Israel vs Hamas

by Riley in

we might have russians involved in the middle east and are attacking israel.. wait.. i thought the watchtower and tract society was the central figures in the end times.

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not that i believe in any of this nonsense but any news in jw world about how the evangelical narrative might be playing out closer than the wts stupidity.

Vanderhoven7

@Bribie

What good has 130 years of Watchtower fear mongering speculation about Armageddon done for anyone?

What is dangerous about not speculating or not worrying about Armageddon?

Should we only serve God for a date or an event?

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Why is the Faithful Slave Now Admitting Ignorance?

by Vanderhoven7 in

dbm writes on the question: will sodomites get a resurrection?.

i guess it depends the date that you asked this question.

here is a screenshot from a video which gives an overview of the changes (new light) on this question:.

Vanderhoven7

But apparently they still haven't let Adam and Eve off the villain's list. They had their perfect chance even though God promised them a Saviour who would crush the head of the serpent and bruise his heel in the process.

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Israel vs Hamas

by Riley in

we might have russians involved in the middle east and are attacking israel.. wait.. i thought the watchtower and tract society was the central figures in the end times.

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not that i believe in any of this nonsense but any news in jw world about how the evangelical narrative might be playing out closer than the wts stupidity.

Vanderhoven7

All Watchtower speculation about Armageddon over the past 130 years has proven to be a waste of time, energy and peace of mind. And it will continue to be exactly that in the future.

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Need Vocal Renditions of Sing Praises to Jehovah

by cybernyben101 in

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friends

i am looking for vocal renditions of some the kingdom songs in this old songbook: sing praises to jehovah.

most of my favorite kingdom songs are from that songbook and i would love to download them on my phone.

i enjoy listening to vocal renditions of kingdom melodies.

Vanderhoven7

Hello cybernyben101

Welcome to the forum!

Sounds to me that some of the Kingdom Melodies have given you comfort in the past.

I hope someone on board can help you in your quest and that you stay a while and share some of your story with us.

Be blessed

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I am looking to meet friends in South Africa

by RoscoeLaw69 in

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friends

if there is anyone who would like to make contact in kimberly, south africa, please reach out 072 220 9255.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Roscoe,

Welcome to the forum!

FYI South Africans on board can send you a private message (PM) on this forum.

You know of course that most of the people here are anti-Watchtower and more often than not, for good reason. If you are experiencing personal difficulty yourself because of elders decisions feel free to share them here and you will get support and encouragement based on experience.

Shalom

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Why is the Faithful Slave Now Admitting Ignorance?

by Vanderhoven7 in

dbm writes on the question: will sodomites get a resurrection?.

i guess it depends the date that you asked this question.

here is a screenshot from a video which gives an overview of the changes (new light) on this question:.

Vanderhoven7

DBM writes on the question: Will Sodomites get a resurrection?

I guess it depends the date that you asked this question. Here is a screenshot from a video which gives an overview of the changes (new light) on this question:

Their latest answer is a non-dogmatic “We have no idea” based on a talk from the October 2023 Annual Meeting.

At this meeting they also say that they are going to be less dogmatic, I wonder why? Maybe because they got a lot of things wrong in the past and are a bit embarrassed that people are doing the research and posting it online?

Here’s the link to the video the screenshot is from :https://youtu.be/mGZpnN0p4tM

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WRONG Bible wordings #2

by BoogerMan in

2) (revelation 20:5) (the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.

) this is the first resurrection.. wtbts: the term "come to life" is actually figurative and does not mean the literal resurrection of the dead.. there are 2 destinations for all those who are resurrected - some go to heaven, but most stay on earth.

also, both resurrections will occur at approximately the same time - at the commencement of the millenium.. revelation 20:5 states that the 2nd resurrection doesn't occur until after the 1000 years have ended, thereby rendering it a later resurrection.

Vanderhoven7

Revelation 20:5) (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection

As I understand it the comment in parentheses was a scribale gloss.

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144 year-old mystery finally solved

by Tahoe in

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Vanderhoven7

Duh! Where else will we play golf?