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Petition against Ostracism Practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses
by AndersonsInfo in
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2. beliefs
https://peticaopublica.com.br/pview.aspx?pi=br137007.

petition against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.

public petition: against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.
Vanderhoven7

@bbqbob.
Welcome to the forum Bob!
It takes guts to be here where your faith will no doubt be challenged.
Let me encourage you to hang around and discuss issues in a free environment, that is open to Atheists, Agnostics, JWs and exJWs as well Bible believers such as myself.
Like you, I believe the Bible is the word of God; unlike you, I have never been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Like you, I don't believe the Bible teaches eternal torment is the wage of sin or that the soul is inately immortal, but unlike you I don't believe that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is biblical. By that I mean that I believe every doctrine or teaching that is unique and original to Jehovah's Witnesses is not found in the Bible.
You have listed a few of the unique Watchtower teachings in your last post that you would like anyone try to disprove. By the way, it can be a difficult task trying to disprove a negative. You know, prove pink elephants don't exist for example. So the onus usually falls on the one claiming that pink elephants exist to provide evidence that they do.
All this to say, I hope you feel welcome enough to stay a while and share in the discussion on topics Watchtower related.
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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
text: matthew 24:45-47.

45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.
Vanderhoven7

Watchtower religion is based on eisegesis rather than exegesis.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

Was it the rich man's literal tongue that was burning? Would literal drops of water soothe his tongue?
Time to recognize the account of Lazarus and the Rich Man is fictional.
My contention is that the literary form of Lazarus and the Rich Man is satire, or more particularly, a parody, there must be clear evidence that:
a. A common or "well known story line is being imitated".
b. irony is employed; that the story’s outcome is changed such that there is clear “incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the expected result”
c. the unexpected results "highlight human stupidity" or corruption.
d. "a comic end is served", the purpose of which is to cause listeners "to detach sympathies from certain people (groups), to judge their actions and to see the absurdity in their behavior…
Satire can be defined as “biting wit, irony or sarcasm used to expose vice or folly...”.
And good satire never fails to inspire “laughter, contempt, or horror as it seeks to correct the follies and abuses it uncovers”.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

Yes, Jesus died for the whole world and God is not willing that any be "tortured for eternity" but apparently he is simply unable to draw people to himself to prevent this.
Something doesn't make sense with this scenario.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

Destroy means "to preserve" according to some. And apparently we are all invited to fear the one who knows how to preserve body and soul in endless torture.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

@Hal
"a physical body is required to feel physical pain"
Tell that to the rich man and the billions of human beings alledgedly burning in Hades as we speak.
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

@ Sea Breeze
<<So what do you think was "absent from the body"? II Cor.5:8>>
Hey, read the verse in context.
Certainly I want to be absent from the body and present with the Lord without being unclothed for a season. But it's only those who are alive at the coming of Christ that will miss being unclothed.
II Cor. 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Now consider when this mortal will put on immortality and be forever with the Lord
1Cor. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

https://youtu.be/P5v9E9U_qBI?si=9SptlnANFGkSMMPt
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

"in 2 Corinthians 5:8, the apostle Paul is saying, “Look, I am living a tough life, and I would prefer to be at home with the Lord.” A lot of Christians today feel the same way, and they will be at home with the Lord at the Rapture, when Jesus comes from heaven to get us."
Jerusalem was destroyed by unquenchable fire. Is it still burning today?
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
Vanderhoven7

https://youtube.com/shorts/FZQLBRukY4s?si=Kd1idqfOc6AreEcx
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NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath
by raymond frantz in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.
Vanderhoven7

No Shame!
https://youtu.be/CYIc4ymcwII?si=8btMxFvWKUt_cRLS

Vanderhoven7

Posts by Vanderhoven7

@ Sea Breeze

<<So what do you think was "absent from the body"? II Cor.5:8>>

Hey, read the verse in context.

Certainly I want to be absent from the body and present with the Lord without being unclothed for a season. But it's only those who are alive at the coming of Christ that will miss being unclothed.

II Cor. 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Now consider when this mortal will put on immortality and be forever with the Lord

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.