Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Definitely the gospel writers affirm the Baptist is bring referred to. Do you think there might be a dual fulfilment here?

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Malachi 3:1 mentions two messengers: The first is John the Baptist, who prepared the way for the second Messenger, "the Messenger of the covenant," Jesus Christ.

Matthew and Luke's gospels identify John the Baptist as the first messenger who prepared the way of the Lord by preaching repentance.

Repent and believe is the order of salvation In the New Testament.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Who were the angels visiting Abraham?

Was not Christ predicted to be the angel of the covenant?

Malachi 3:1 KJV — Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Slim

"JWs adhere very closely to the biblical pattern."

Not really.

Jesus taught his followers to address God directly as "Father". Yet eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses still tend to address God somewhat remotely as "Jehovah God". My take is that because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not know or relate to Jesus they do not understand or appreciate God as their Father.

Eight million JWs do not personally know Jesus Christ. The extent of their "relationship" with Jesus is tacking on his name at the end of their prayers. He is not their Saviour or even their Mediator.

The missing key to salvation is receiving Jesus personally. As many as receive him become children of God. Jn.1:12 And those who are saved by Jesus naturally come to Him as He instructed.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

@Slim,

Great array of scriptures.

Yes the pattern is to give thanks to God through Christ.

The point is that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to have a personal relationship with Christ or even to express their gratitude or praise directly to him.

13¶And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:13

The truth is Jesus invites us into fellowship with Himself. He says,"Come unto me, all ye that are weak and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son. Knowing both the Father and the Son means eternal life. Jn.17:3 And no one can know the Father unless the Son reveals Him to the sinner.

Jesus will say "Depart from me" to those He does not know and who do not know Him. One can have lots of facts about Jehovah and Jesus without ever coming to him or serving him.

Eternity depends on knowing the one who alone can reveal the Father to us.

And btw when we give thanks to Jesus, we glorify God. Luke 17:

15¶And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

16And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

17¶And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?

18There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

These words are often quoted by JWs as a warning to non-JWs.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name...and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

https://youtu.be/k9IfHDi-2EA?si=JUBg9BYyY13VuoeS

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How would you rate the Watchtower approved songs?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i was asking why jws won't sing any church hymns even if they were doctrinally correct.

jws asked me in response if i would sing any of their songs.. dan watkins wrote .

its a hilarious misunderstanding, if it does not come from the watchtower bible and tract society, then it is effectively considered as coming from satan.

Vanderhoven7

There is no proof that suggests the disciples went door to door preaching the gospel.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Rattigan,

JWs have as much of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as they do with the angel Gabriel.Imagine not even being able to say "Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins.

"Why would we want a personal relationship with Jesus?"

Because Jesus invites us into a saving personal relationship. Knowing Jesus and the Father personally is essential to eternal life. Jn.17:3 It is not taking in accurate information (gnosis) about Father and Son, it is knowing (ginosko). "Come unto me!" Jesus said, not "Come to a victorious organization for salvation."

"Why would we thank him for dying for our sins? as that is not why he died."

I am more and more convinced that JWs do not believe the Bible.

Acts 2: 38-39 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 13:38-39 38 Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all.

I John 2:2 And he (Christ) is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

JW have as much of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as they do with the angel Gabriel.

Imagine not even being able to say "Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins".

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Vanderhoven7

Is it possible to know Michael the archangel and have a personal relationship with him?

Is it possible for Jehovah’s Witnesses to know Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with him?