Glad you made it through the maze Gorb and that your family is together.
Vanderhoven7
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Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book
by Gorb inhave some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.
the years i became pimo.
a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
If I looked at scripture as you do Jeffro i would not care what Joe Shmoe had to say or intended?
Of course I believe the entire Old Testament points to Jesus Christ, who is alive today and able to save to the uttermost all who call upon Him. So what the writer of Malachi and others have to say is of great concern to me. And of course I accept the interpretations of the writers of the New Testament as authoritative and so they are of great concern to me as well.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
OK...so you clearly do not accept that the gospel writers were inspired.
Do you believe the writer of Malachi was inspired...and by extention any of the writers of the Hebrew scriptures?
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Definitely the gospel writers affirm the Baptist is bring referred to. Do you think there might be a dual fulfilment here?
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Malachi 3:1 mentions two messengers: The first is John the Baptist, who prepared the way for the second Messenger, "the Messenger of the covenant," Jesus Christ.
Matthew and Luke's gospels identify John the Baptist as the first messenger who prepared the way of the Lord by preaching repentance.
Repent and believe is the order of salvation In the New Testament.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Who were the angels visiting Abraham?
Was not Christ predicted to be the angel of the covenant?
Malachi 3:1 KJV — Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
Slim
"JWs adhere very closely to the biblical pattern."
Not really.
Jesus taught his followers to address God directly as "Father". Yet eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses still tend to address God somewhat remotely as "Jehovah God". My take is that because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not know or relate to Jesus they do not understand or appreciate God as their Father.
Eight million JWs do not personally know Jesus Christ. The extent of their "relationship" with Jesus is tacking on his name at the end of their prayers. He is not their Saviour or even their Mediator.
The missing key to salvation is receiving Jesus personally. As many as receive him become children of God. Jn.1:12 And those who are saved by Jesus naturally come to Him as He instructed.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
@Slim,
Great array of scriptures.
Yes the pattern is to give thanks to God through Christ.
The point is that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to have a personal relationship with Christ or even to express their gratitude or praise directly to him.
13¶And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:13
The truth is Jesus invites us into fellowship with Himself. He says,"Come unto me, all ye that are weak and heavy laden and I will give you rest.
Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son. Knowing both the Father and the Son means eternal life. Jn.17:3 And no one can know the Father unless the Son reveals Him to the sinner.
Jesus will say "Depart from me" to those He does not know and who do not know Him. One can have lots of facts about Jehovah and Jesus without ever coming to him or serving him.
Eternity depends on knowing the one who alone can reveal the Father to us.
And btw when we give thanks to Jesus, we glorify God. Luke 17:
15¶And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,16And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.17¶And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?18There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. -
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Vanderhoven7
These words are often quoted by JWs as a warning to non-JWs.21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name...and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. -
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How would you rate the Watchtower approved songs?
by Vanderhoven7 ini was asking why jws won't sing any church hymns even if they were doctrinally correct.
jws asked me in response if i would sing any of their songs.. dan watkins wrote .
its a hilarious misunderstanding, if it does not come from the watchtower bible and tract society, then it is effectively considered as coming from satan.
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Vanderhoven7
There is no proof that suggests the disciples went door to door preaching the gospel.