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  The Apostles Creed vs. Watchtower

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the apostles creed could be recited in less than a minute in latin.

  it was like an ancient youtube video clip: christianity in less than a minute.

  it is very ancient, reaching back to the 200's.

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  Vanderhoven7

  @ Blotty

  From their website: You have paid for your sins by your death.

  • w63 8/1 pp. 453-456
  • Do You Pay for Your Sins After Death?

  The testimony of the Bible is unequivocal, reasonable and just. The idea that you pay for your sins after death, and that by suffering, is pagan, not a Scriptural teaching. Man pays for his sins with death. Yes, “sin offers death, for wages.”—Rom. 6:23, Knox.

  
  

  Romans 6:23—“The Wages of Sin Is Death, but the Gift of God Is Eternal Life”

  “The wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.”—Romans 6:23, New World Translation.

  “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”—Romans 6:23, New International Version.

  Meaning of Romans 6:23

  With these words, the apostle Paul explains that humans die because they are sinful. However, God offers his faithful worshippers a wonderful prospect—the gift of everlasting life.

  “The wages sin pays is death.” All people are born imperfect and thus have a tendency to sin. a (Psalm 51:5; Ecclesiastes 7:20) Because they are born in a sinful state, humans inevitably grow old and die.—Romans 5:12.

  To illustrate this point, Paul compares sin to a master who pays wages. Just as a worker expects a wage for his work, so humans can expect to die because of their imperfect condition.

  However, Paul also explains that a person “who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) When a person dies, he is set free, or released, from any sins he has committed.
  
  
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  10

  The Apostles Creed vs. Watchtower

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the apostles creed could be recited in less than a minute in latin.

  it was like an ancient youtube video clip: christianity in less than a minute.

  it is very ancient, reaching back to the 200's.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Apparently JWs don't need Jesus to pay for their sins since their death does that for them. Romans 6:7
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  <<Can this Ian person PROVE that this organization was chosen by Jesus in 1919?>>

  No, but that is what the GB is claiming.
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  1. The GB is God’s sole channel of communication to mankind and has been since April 1919.

  2. Jehovah completely trusts the GB/F&DS and so should all mankind.

  3. If you don’t trust the Faithful Slave Jesus is helpless to save you and you will be destroyed at Armageddon.

  4. Angels are guiding the GB.

  5. The doors of God’s arc-like organization are closing fast.
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Ian Ribinson writes:

  1. They Are God’s Sole Channel of Communication on Earth.
  2. Their New World Translation (NWT) Is the Most Accurate Bible – they also discourage external linguistic or historical critiques, relying on their own scholars (whose credentials are often questioned).
  3. They Were Chosen by Jesus in 1919
  4. Their Predictions About the End Times Are Still True – Even though past prophecies (1914, 1925, 1975, "this generation" teaching) have failed, they maintain that their overall prophetic framework is correct.
  5. Only They Truly Understand the Bible – They claim that without their literature, one cannot correctly understand the Bible.
  6. Everyone Outside the Organization Is Misled by Satan
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  6 Only Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive Armageddon.

  7 Only Jehovah's Witnesses understand the Bible.

  8 There are no true Christians outside of the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  9 The Governing Body's voice is the same as Jehovah's!

  w57 6/15 p. 370 par. 7 - "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision."
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Add that pair, to this pair

  3. If you don't trust the Governing Body you don't trust Jehovah.

  4. If you leave our organization you leave Jehovah.
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  What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

  all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.

  1. The religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses is the one true religion
  2. All other religions are satanic, including all the churches of Christendom.
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  Examples of Watchtower flawed interpretation of Bible passages?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  asking jehovah’s witnesses to interpret specific passages is a great way to demonstrate their interpretive abuse.

  got any clear examples?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Two excellent examples Punkofnice.

  Great to see you back! Hope you plan to hang with us mate.

  Vander 😎
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  Why Did God Become Man?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2ptaan9pc&ab_channel=theslothmonkey.

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  do you think the explanation by paul harvey is plausible?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  It is quite easy to love a person who sacrifices much for us such as a devoted family member; someone who would rescue us at great cost to themselves; who would choose to experience our pain and sorrow to identify with our need and struggles.

  Si yes, it makes sense.