Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Elder father sent me an email about Feb 2012 WT - my resposne

by TheStumbler in

i'm not sure if any of you will remember but i posted on here six months ago about a correspondence i was having with my dad, an elder, about who would die in armageddon.

i was asking some tough questions about children being killed in armageddon and i could tell he uncomfortable with the answers he was giving.. i drafted an email in resposne to his email but in the end i decided not to send it in the interest of maintaining friendly relations.. .

last week, out of the blue, my dad sent an email link to the february 2012 watchtower article about armageddon and said it would answer some of my questions.. here is my response which is a critique of the feb 2012 wt article and some of the broader ethics concerning 'armageddon'.

Vanderhoven7

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

Vanderhoven7

I would say that that would be impossible...given that Jesus Christ is simply an angelic being in WTS eyes.

Jehovah's Witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel Gabriel as they do with Jesus.

And, no...tacking on the name of Jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship.

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

Vanderhoven7

<<Whether it is 'God' (which in many cases it is) or as 'a god' makes no difference at all since we know that the scriptures clearly state that there is only one true God and all others are false gods.>>

True, the Father is identified as Ho Theos ("the God") with the definite article.

Interestingly, so is Jesus Christ:

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God (ho Theos) with us.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God (ho Theos), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord (ho Kurious) and my God (ho Theos).

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

Vanderhoven7

The WTS does not appreciate the fact that according to scripture, Jesus Christ is Creator of the universe. God is not part of the creation. All of creation is attributed to Jesus Christ. Even angels know to worship their Creator. The WTS must add to the scriptures to maintain their position and deny His full deity.

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Who Did The Early Church Call Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?

by JCISGOD98 in

whose name was the early church calling upon?.

jesus or jehovah?.

acts 9:14 a verse jehovah's witnesses can't explain!.

Vanderhoven7

<<Whose Name Was The Early Church Calling Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?>>

Well in the Old Testament it is clear who people called upon:

And there was also a son born to Seth, and he called his name Enos. Then men began to call upon the name of Jehovah. Gen.4:26

After Pentecost we see all Christians calling on a different name:

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:: I Cor. 1:2

Jesus himself never addressed His Father by the name Jehovah in scripture...neither did any of the disciples.

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Putting together a brochure that debunks the "Memorial"...

by Alfred in

with "memorial season" just around the corner, i am planning to put together a small brochure (or maybe just a plain-looking document on letter-sized paper) that exposes the embarassing fact that jws still hold their "memorial" every year even though, by their own teachings, they should have had their last one in 1914. i plan to give it to the next elder who stops by to "count his time" during memorial season.

but hopefully, this will happen before they start canvassing my neighborhood since i plan to distribute it to my neighbors as well.. i've just started this morning with the following "quick draft" (but i would appreciate your comments and insight... thanks):.

jehovah's witnesses, why are you still inviting people to "the memorial"?.

Vanderhoven7

I've heard JWs say, "When he takes kingdom power"...whatever that means.

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Febuary 21 2012 We could make a difference,if we want to. A World Wide Campaign sending letters to Govt. officials,newspapers, to Victoria Australia

by smiddy in

this is a sugestion i have to all members of this board ,members from all over the world, to let the victorian government in australia know that the world is concerned about protecting the children of victoria ,and theirby setting a precedent for the rest of the world, who are interested in the outcome of the criminal charges against the religion of jehovah`s witnesses in refusing to abide by the legislation to get "working with children checks"when required to do so.correct me if i`m wrong but i think if all of us sent letters to the newspapers here in australia ,the different members of parliment here,we would demonstate that the victorian judicial system here is under scrutiny to do the right thing in the eyes of the world.. we all complain that the wtb&ts/jehovahs witnesses is a cult religion that sucks,destroying family relationships,here is a chance to do something about it.

whether you agree with steven unthank or not,here is an opportunity to stick up for the children of jehovah`s witnesses and every other child that a witness calls on in their door to door ministry.. what do you think ?.

smiddy.

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looky what they make the latest watchtower (public) say

by therevealer in

through the new covenant, jehovah makes blessings.

available to many by means of a few.

the covenant are few, a mere 144,000. through.

Vanderhoven7

Jonathan Dough: Well said.

Paralipomenon: You probably hit the nail squarely with that insight.

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looky what they make the latest watchtower (public) say

by therevealer in

through the new covenant, jehovah makes blessings.

available to many by means of a few.

the covenant are few, a mere 144,000. through.

Vanderhoven7

Thank you FactFinder.

Yes, you can believe in and trust Jesus as your Saviour all you want. Won't help you at all at Armageddon without submission to the only channel of truth known as the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him and finds the right organization and believes everything the GB says, will not perish at Armageddon."

Talk about adding to scripture.

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looky what they make the latest watchtower (public) say

by therevealer in

through the new covenant, jehovah makes blessings.

available to many by means of a few.

the covenant are few, a mere 144,000. through.

Vanderhoven7

Could you provide the issue and page number for this quote Revealer?