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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Regarding Staying Out of Politics?

  by minimus in

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  we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.

  if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.

  we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.

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  Thanks to JWFacts

  The understanding of the “Superior Authorities” of Romans 13:1 is a teaching where Watchtower doctrine has see-sawed back and forth in clear violation of the principle of the light getting brighter.

  Up to 1929	1929 to 1962	1962 onwards
  “Evil as these Gentile governments have been, they were permitted or “ordained of God” for a wise purpose. (Rom. 13:1)” Studies In the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages p.250	“The Superior Authorities are the Most High God Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ.” This Means Everlasting Life (1950) p.197	“The Expression “superior authorities” means the political governments or authorities.” Life everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) p.189

  Romans 13:1-2 is simple to understand, describing the Christian obligation to follow the laws of the country. This is how it is interpreted by most Christian religions and how Russell explained the Scripture.

  LIGHT NOT GETTING BRIGHTER BUT BLINKING ON AND OFF
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  Should I continue to help an "unbelieving" husband?

  by RiverPeace in

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  i know there are a lot of 'wise heads' out there on this forum - so i would appreciate your suggestions.. several years ago, i studied with a guy, whose wife is a jw.

  (he had studied with several elders before i came along).

  the study went reasonably well.

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  For biblical ideas that contradict JW doctrine try dom of Bridget from Arizona videos.

  Samples

  blob:https://www.youtube.com/cd42e69a-afad-4bbf-8829-6430d7986dd3
  

  https://youtu.be/MgTMELTGkKo
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  Are parables literal or not?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  “bible illustrations [parables] have more than one aspect.

  they … often have a prophetic meaning and application.

  moreover, some had a prophetic meaning for the time when they were spoken or shortly thereafter, and some were to have, in addition, a fulfillment in the distant future.” (insight on the scriptures (1988), wtbts, vol 1, pp.

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  We can add a few to that list

  • The first resurrection to heavenly life began in 1878

  • The great Tribulation leading to Armageddon had commenced in 1914

  • Millions living in 1919 would never die because 1925 would usher in the new system.

  • Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be resurrected in 1925 and would stay at Beth Sarim with Judge Rutherford when visiting America.
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  Are parables literal or not?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “bible illustrations [parables] have more than one aspect.

  they … often have a prophetic meaning and application.

  moreover, some had a prophetic meaning for the time when they were spoken or shortly thereafter, and some were to have, in addition, a fulfillment in the distant future.” (insight on the scriptures (1988), wtbts, vol 1, pp.

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  Hi R&R,

  With regard to the eschatological (second coming) parables such as those found in Matthew 24 and 25, there is a pattern of preparation or readiness for this grand event. The one who is ready for his master's return is the wise servant who feeds his brothers, the virgin who has sufficient oil (symbol of Spirit) in her lamp; the servant who invests the talents he is given by his Lord, and the servant who visits those in prison and clothes the naked. These all picture those who are ready for the master to return. So it seems to me these parables are meant to be prophetic of real events that are to occur with the return of Christ at the end of history.

  I see Matthew 24:1-35 as being fulfilled in the first century with the destruction of Jerusalem, whereas verse 36 on appears to be dealing with the parousia or second coming of Christ to judge all nations.

  36. BUT OF THAT DAY AND HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN,
  NO, NOT THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER
  ONLY.

  I believe that this verse and "THAT DAY" signal a change in topic
  to the second coming (parousia) of Christ. Mt.7: 20-22
  Mt.11:22 Jn.5:25,29

  Jesus has already explained what would happen to His own
  generation. Now He contrasts that which would relate to His
  second coming (parousia) or presence on earth. Notice the
  contrasts:

  Matt 24:1-35 Matt 24: 36 - end
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  Local, Jerusalem,Judea,Temple Worldwide: Lu.21:35

  Abnormal Times: calamities Normal Times: Marrying etc.

  Specific signs precede No Signs Given

  Timing Anticipated Lu.24:33 Anticipation Impossible 24:44

  These Days Mt.24:22 That Day Mt.24:36

  Saints to flee No Running; Saints taken
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  Since Myself and our sons left the JW cult, My wife has been M.I.A has a mom and wife

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  i would like to get some feed back from pomo's who's spouse is still pimi.

  since myself and our son's left the jw cult.

  my wife has been m.i.a has a mom and a wife.

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  Right now your wife is outnumbered by unbelievers. She is living in fear and probably blaming you and the children for trying to undermining her beliefs and causing her grief. Why not strike a deal with her: You will support her, never criticize the organization or try to hurt her faith for the next two months in exchange for a time of just getting along. If willing, get the kids on the kindness and respect track with you. Re-evaluate in 60 days.
  
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  Many people did something similar !

  by Phizzy in

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  Can we make this a WTS comic Thread?

  
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  Anyone here take any chance you get to tell others how dangers the cult is?

  by mickbobcat in

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  i know i have made some uncomfortable at times and others have thanked me for telling them about the cult because some family member is one and they thought it was a bad cult but did not know details.

  personally i take every chance i get to tell others about the cult.

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  How far JWs have come in 100+ years when it comes to those who leave the organization.

  “Even treating the brother for a time as 'a heathen man and a publican' would not mean to do him injury, to castigate him, pillory him, or expose him to shame or contempt...the brother may merely be treated in the kindly, courteous way in which it would be proper for us to treat any publican or Gentile...” WT 3/1/1919 p. 6397
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  Are parables literal or not?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “bible illustrations [parables] have more than one aspect.

  they … often have a prophetic meaning and application.

  moreover, some had a prophetic meaning for the time when they were spoken or shortly thereafter, and some were to have, in addition, a fulfillment in the distant future.” (insight on the scriptures (1988), wtbts, vol 1, pp.

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  Seems to me that most of Jesus' parables have some sort of historical or literal application. For example, the vineyard parables apply to Israel and Jerusalem's impending destruction for rejecting their Messiah, while the kingdom of heaven parables relate to the development of the church right up to the harvest; while the eschatological parables point to the return of Christ and the judgment of the world. There are other stories that appear to be parables but are really parodies designed to undermine Pharisaic authority.
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  Hip Hip Hooray yyy

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends i`ve finally got an appointment to go to hospital tomorrow ,pre-admission for my hip replacement surgery.. so if you don`t hear from me ever again ,it means i`ve carked it .lol, should i even joke about that ?.

  so its goodnight from me till who knows when ?.

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  Speedy Recovery Mate!
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  The "faithful and discreet slave class" - Past, Present and Future

  by truthseeker in

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  iv) believe that jesus christ is mediator for "the faithful and discreet slave".

  today, that "slave" is represented by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  5. elders.

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  The modern slave

  

  1. Gerrit Lösch: Born 1942, appointed July 1, 1994
  
  2. Samuel F. Herd: Born 1935, appointed Oct. 1, 1999
  
  3. David H. Splane: Born 1944, appointed Oct. 1, 1999
  
  4. Mark Stephen Lett: Born 1949, appointed Oct. 1, 1999
  
  5. Anthony Morris III: Born 1950, appointed Sept. 1, 2005
  
  6. Geoffrey W. Jackson: Born 1955, appointed Sept. 1, 2005

  7. D. Mark Sanderson: Born 1965, appointed 2012

  8. Kenneth E. Cook Jr: Born 1955, appointed 2018

  Does anyone have a picture of the original slave...board of directors in 1918?