Vanderhoven7
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Leading First Amendment scholars intervene in CA loyalty oath case
by Corney inbrianna bolden-hardge, a mother of two, a devout jw and a career california civil servant, sues the office of the state controller which revoked a job offer after she objected to swearing a loyalty oath, even though three other state agencies she worked for "either did not insist on the oath or provided her a religious accommodation to it" (by allowing to submit a clarifying statement).
she sued, and the case was dismissed by a district court.
now it's heard by the ninth circuit.
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Geoffrey Jackson- soliciting?
by molybdenum ini listened to geoffrey jackson’s latest talk “assisting our brothers materially “.
jackson presented some arguments, one of which was….jesus did not stop the widow from putting money in the contribution box in the temple.
basically saying regardless of your financial situation you have to donate.
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Vanderhoven7
The Widow's Mite: Good or bad example of giving?
https://www.reenactingtheway.com/blog/the-widows-mite-good-or-bad-example-of-giving
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Just how much of a dramatic FLOP is this NEW LIGHT?
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xpxxtqvys.
your opinion, please, on the above video.
1. before jesus, humans were judged either by the law (jews and converts) or by natural law (noahide law).
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Vanderhoven7
Thanks Vienne,
I haven't read much about the SDA Church. I know they have built numerous orphanages and are quite evangelical in their missions. Fortunately I have not heard anything about CSA or shunning former members.
E.G. White sounds like a real loser and their millennial doctrine seems totally out of whack and based on a gloss in Revelation 20. Perhaps an SDA member on board here might want to straighten me out on their beliefs.
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Just how much of a dramatic FLOP is this NEW LIGHT?
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xpxxtqvys.
your opinion, please, on the above video.
1. before jesus, humans were judged either by the law (jews and converts) or by natural law (noahide law).
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Vienne,
You said, :"Speculating on something that hasn't happened yet seems unfruitful. And it seems to me at least, that this man, a Seventh-day Adventist, has as much or more to hide from as Jehovah's Witnesses do."
You've got me curious. I see them as legalistic about the ten commandments.... especially regarding the "Sabbath" commandment. But I'm not aware of much else.
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Just how much of a dramatic FLOP is this NEW LIGHT?
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xpxxtqvys.
your opinion, please, on the above video.
1. before jesus, humans were judged either by the law (jews and converts) or by natural law (noahide law).
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Vanderhoven7
I believe Winston read too much into it as well. I think the GB still holds that ones sin debt is paid for by death.
One problem is, who paid the debt for the sins of Armageddon survivors, i.e., the other sheep?
Secondly, since there are only two types of resurrection, the just who have done good and the unjust who have done evil, that means the other sheep who die before Armageddon are identified as evildoers.....which actually makes sense in an undermining way
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn.5:29
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Armageddon Aftermath
by Vanderhoven7 inactually you can hear it from the governing body himself (jehovah's witnesses leaders) and visualise it with this video… .
welcome to jehovah's witness paradise!.
https://youtu.be/ssd0kymdzt8.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi GB,
Interesting. Thanks for responding. You certainly raise more questions.
1. When do you believe the leaders of the Watchtower Society first became the Faithful Slave and when and why did they lose their appointment?
2. Who do you believe is the current Slave and when and why was the Slave appointed?
3. Must one identify the new Slave and submit to this Slave's authority to be approved by Jehovah?
Your thoughts...
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Just how much of a dramatic FLOP is this NEW LIGHT?
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xpxxtqvys.
your opinion, please, on the above video.
1. before jesus, humans were judged either by the law (jews and converts) or by natural law (noahide law).
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Vanderhoven7
Maybe someone figured out the old light didn't make sense. Under the old light, best if you killed yourself now before Armageddon so you could be sure to be resurrected. If all 7.8 billion people on the planet would have believed the Watchtower gospel, and drunk the WTS coolaid, virtually all of mankind would have been given a chance at life eternal. Still if you have not committed suicide by Armageddon, your death will count for nothing anyway. Still better die now than later I suppose.
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Merry Christmas Everyone
by jhine ini don't think that it's too early to start this thread so .
merry christmas everyone.
maybe people could share christmas music or clips to get us all in the mood.
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Vanderhoven7
Joyeux Noel tout Monde!
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Prayer for every day
by May1981 ini pray for every person in the world.
you can also join my prayer.
and may the creator hear our prayers.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi May,
Welcome to the forum!
Yes, lets pray especially for those who are trapped in cults like Jehovah's Witnesses.
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What are the maim lies Apostates tell about Jehovah's Witnesses?
by Vanderhoven7 inmain not maim.
picked this answer up on quora.
please add other apostate "lies" you are aware of.. "jehovah's witnesses cannot refute the facts in the so-called “ lies” against them, and when they do, they shamelessly lie and tell half-truths to defend their mind-controlling sect.. their new york based leaders tell them that anything negative said about their sect is a “ lie “ from “ mentally diseased, bitter apostates”.. jws are yet to come to terms with the fact that we are in the information age and they can no longer get away with lying to protect their organisation.. for example, one of the “ lies “ told about them is that they shun anyone who leaves the cult , including family members, including their own children.. another “ lie “ is that jws are ready to allow their children to die rather than accept a life-saving blood transfusion.. the child sex abuse coverup in the cult is also said to be a “lie “.
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Vanderhoven7
Gillies Gray writes:
What are the main lies apostates spread about Jehovah’s Witnesses, and why are they lies?
While it is unfortunately true that there are a few former members who spread lies against the Jehovah’s Witness religion, a far more common occurrence is that ex-members are wrongly accused of lying when they state facts concerning the Watchtower and its doctrines.
Whilst reading anything written by critics of their religion, Jehovah’s Witnesses are invariably on the look out for any little detail that could possibly be used as an excuse to accuse the author of lying.
The motivation for doing this stems directly from the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses are desperate to affirm the narrative that their religion is uniquely fulfilling bible prophesy. In order to maintain this illusion, opposers of the religion must be vilified and their opinions discredited.
Jehovah’s Witnesses try to force fit current events and circumstances to match prophetic bible verses and they look for any small pretext on which to base a belief that the prophesy pertains to them, thereby reassuring and convincing themselves that theirs is the true religion approved by God.
For example, in 1 Timothy 4:2, Paul talks about Christians in the ‘latter periods of time’ who will fall away from the faith and go on to ‘speak lies’. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses wish to believe that they are the only true followers of God and are living in the ‘last days’, they are constantly on the alert to find ANYTHING that resembles the fulfilment of that ‘prophetic’ scripture. As a result, they find any excuse to be able to accuse their critics.
This frequently leads to false accusations against their critics, claiming they are promoting lies about the Organisation and its teachings. JWs often assume a critic is saying something that they are not.
Jehovah’s Witnesses tend to take criticism of their organisation personally and are hypersensitive to legitimate negative criticisms. They are not accustomed to hearing the truth about their religion without the sugar coating which allows them to overlook the negative aspects of their theology. This results in false claims that lies are being told.
The irony is that the majority of objective, informed critics of the Watchtower Organisation go to great lengths to ensure that what they say is as accurate as possible. On multiple occasions many of them have actually argued against people who make false accusations about Jehovah’s Witnesses. These critics are genuinely offended when people promote misinformation about the Watchtower Organisation because it works against their objective of exposing the truth about the religion.
Jehovah’s Witnesses will always be swift to accuse their critics of lying if doing so confirms their prophetic narrative. However, on Quora and elsewhere, there have been countless occasions when Jehovah’s Witnesses who have accused a critic of lying have been asked to point to the alleged lies, but invariably, the JW either withdraws from the exchange, deliberately ignores the question or deflects onto another topic.
There is absolutely no good reason or excuse to lie about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, because inventing falsehoods about them works in their favor. Ex-JWs don’t need to invent lies when there is an abundance of genuine reasons for valid criticism. The most effective and efficient way of exposing the faults in the Jehovah’s Witness religion is to use their own literature, as well as highlighting the fundamental flaws in their apologetics.