Posts by Vanderhoven7

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

Vanderhoven7

Here is my understanding as I see scripture.

Eternal life according to John is knowing (ginosko) both Father and Son. Jesus says that no one knows the Father but the Son and to whoever the Son will reveal Him . I am the Way the Truth and the Life...no one comes to the Father except through me. There are no exceptions.

The Holy Spirit glorifies and reveals the Son, the Son the Father unselfishly blessing the other.... and the world, calling men to repentance and faith.

It is not a competition. But the problem with Jehovah's Witnesses is that they have reduced the Son to a creature. They do not glorify the Son nor do they honor Him as they think they do the Father. They do not call on Him as all NT Christians did, they do not come to Him and fellowship with Him or share their burdens with Him as He asks. They have no relationship with Jesus other than to tack His unglorious name onto their prayers. They cannot even say, "Thank you Jesus for dying for me!" Oh yes they say, I have a relationship with Jesus... and yet they have never communicated or directed one syllable His way.

They must be born again, by receiving the Spirit of Christ or they will remain in darkness without seeing or entering God's kingdom.

It's Jesus ... or no Jehovah. That's the way God planned it. You don't get to Jesus through Jehovah. It's the other way round.

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

Vanderhoven7

Whose name was to be "publicly declared" by Christians?

The Bible tells Christians to witness to Christ - not to Jehovah. Christians were never instructed to do anything in Jehovah's name.

(Acts 1:8) But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth.”

(Matthew 10:18) ....before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness....

(Mark 13:9) ...be put on the stand......for my sake, for a witness to them.

(Luke 24:48) You are to be witnesses of these things.

(Acts 1:8) ..witnesses of me in Jerusalem,.....the most distant part of the earth.”

(John 1:15) (John bore witness about him, (Jesus)

(John 5:37) And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me.

(John 8:18) ...bears witness about myself, and the Father..bears witness about me.”

(John 15:26, 27) ....bear witness about me; and you, in turn, are to bear witness....

(Acts 9:15, 16) But the Lord said to him: “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name [Jesus] to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. For I will show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.”

(Acts 10:39) And we are witnesses of all the things he did.......

(Acts 10:43) To him (Jesus) all the prophets bear witness....

(Acts 13:31) .......These are now his witnesses to the people.

(Acts 22:15) because you are to be a witness for him (Jesus) to all men......

(Acts 22:20) and when the blood of Stephen your witness...

(Acts 23:11) ....witness about me in Jerusalem,.....also bear witness in Rome.”

(Acts 26:16) .....a witness .....................respecting me.

(1 Corinthians 1:6) ...the witness about the Christ has been made firm among you,

(1 Timothy 2:6, 7) ...this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.

(2 Timothy 1:8) ....the witness about our Lord.......

(1 John 5:9) ....this is the witness God gives, the witness.....about his Son.

(Revelation 1:9) ......bearing witness concerning Jesus.

(Revelation 12:17) ....have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.

(Revelation 17:6) ......and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

(Revelation 19:10) ....witnessing concerning Jesus...the witness concerning Jesus...”

(Revelation 20:4) ...for the witness they gave about Jesus......

Christians were to witness for Christ. There is not one single verse which commands Christians to witness for Jehovah. Jesus was assigned to be God's witness:

(Revelation 1:5) "....Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”

(Revelation 3:14) "....the faithful and true witness.."

We are assigned to be Jesus' witnesses

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

Vanderhoven7

Great stuff Sea Breeze!

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

Vanderhoven7

It seems to me scripturally speaking, that Jehovah's Witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.

It should be JESUS, not JEHOVAH

For example:

Who is the way, the truth and the life? (John 14:6)

To whose name would Christians witness? (Acts 1:8)

For whose name would Christians be hated? (Matt. 10:22)

For whose name would Christians be reproached? (1 Peter 4:14)

For whose name would Christians be persecuted and killed? (Luke 21:12,16,17)

For whose name would Christians make sacrifices? (Matt. 19:29)

By whose name alone were people be saved? (Acts 4:12)

By whose name were people healed? (Acts 3:6; Acts 4:10)

By whose name were demons expelled? (Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)

By whose name would people receive Holy Spirit? (John 14:26)

By whose name would believers be named? (Isa. 62:2; Acts 11:26)

By whose name would people be reconciled to God? (Rom. 5:10; 2 Cor. 5:18)

By whose name would people be forgiven their sins? (Matt. 26:28; Acts 2:38; Eph. 1:7)

By whose name would people be resurrected (John 5:28)

In whose name would people pray to God? (John 15:16)

In whose name would people be baptized? (Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16)

In whose name were people to put faith? (John 2:23)

In whose name would people be judged? (John 5:27)

In whose name was Paul commissioned to preach? (Acts 9:14-16)

In whose name were Christians to gather together? (Matt. 18:20)

In whose name will every knee in heaven and on earth bend? (Philippians 2:10)

Jesus - not "Jehovah."

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Military Service Confusion

by Sea Breeze in

can someone please call these three guys and tell them that the first gentile christian was an active duty roman military officer named cornelius.

these guys have been locked up for 25 years!.

Vanderhoven7

Hi GB,

You said you don't believe in Jehovah. Did I get that wrong?

Is Jehovah God your heavenly Father? Are you a child of Jehovah?

Has Jehovah forgiven you of all your sins and imputed the righteousness of His Son to you?

Has Jehovah saved you? Are you justified?

Do you have His Spirit indwelling you?

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Anyone else heard this?

by BoogerMan in

the other day, i chatted to an elderly woman and her daughter who was about 45-50. total strangers.. we were discussing covid when the daughter said, "my neighbor studies with jw's, and the jw's told her 3 months before the virus started, that they had to stop going from door to door because something was coming.".

i've never heard anything like this before - have you?.

Vanderhoven7

One thing JWs definitely don't have....is the gift of prophecy.;

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Military Service Confusion

by Sea Breeze in

can someone please call these three guys and tell them that the first gentile christian was an active duty roman military officer named cornelius.

these guys have been locked up for 25 years!.

Vanderhoven7

For those interested Historical Military Chaplaincy check out

https://thechaplainkit.com/

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

We acknowledge as the visible organization of Jehovah on earth the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, and recognize the Society as the Channel or instrument through which Jehovah and Christ Jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith. (Watchtower, April 15, 1939 p. 125)

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

RE: When heaven's door was shut

Joseph Rutherford initially stated that the 144,000 group was complete i.e., sealed back in 1931:

"God having a fixed time for every purpose (Ecclesiastes 3:1), his time to give creatures on earth the opportunity to get in line for a heavenly reward has been from A .D. 29 until, chiefly, 1931, called the "day of salvation". "Let God be True" 1946 ed. p.298
"Although Jehovah had come to his temple in 1918 and had begun judgment of this anointed class, still others must be brought in, because some were found unworthy and they must be replaced. The evidences show that this continued until especially 1931, when there began a work of gathering those recognized as "other sheep" of the Lord Jesus Christ." Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose 1959 p.139

Then it was changed with no basis to 1935:

"Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.30
"Their being identified in 1935 as the great crowd of other sheep was an indication that the choosing of the 144,000 was then about complete." Revelation, Its Grand Climax Now at Hand p.125

Then, in 2007 it was changed again,

"As time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. Thus we cannot set a specific date for when the heavenly hope ends." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31″

However, they also cast doubt on anyone who now says they are “anointed”:

"Over the years some, even ones newly baptized, have suddenly begun to partake. In a number of cases, after a while they acknowledged that this was an error. Some have recognized that they partook as an emotional response to perhaps physical or mental strain. But they came to see that they really were not called to heavenly life. They asked for God's merciful understanding." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

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Dating with a guy

by Renee86 in

hi,.

if you date a jw guy do you say to each other you are actually dating or courting?.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, terminate and run for your sanity!