This is true. Their religion is not biblical. However even a broken analog clock is right twice a day.😄
Vanderhoven7
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Do you think the Watchtower is right about about eternal punishment of the wicked?
by Vanderhoven7 inatheists believe death is the end of personal existence.
but for those who believe there is life after death, what do you think is the nature of final punishment?
in other words do you agree with the atheists and the watchtower society or is there eternal ongoing conscious punishment awaiting the wicked.
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Do you think the Watchtower is right about about eternal punishment of the wicked?
by Vanderhoven7 inatheists believe death is the end of personal existence.
but for those who believe there is life after death, what do you think is the nature of final punishment?
in other words do you agree with the atheists and the watchtower society or is there eternal ongoing conscious punishment awaiting the wicked.
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Atheists believe death is the end of personal existence. But for those who believe there is life after death, what do you think is the nature of final punishment? In other words do you agree with the Atheists and the Watchtower Society or is there eternal ongoing conscious punishment awaiting the wicked. This is not really about what happens between death and the final judgment, but bring that up if you wish.
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Family division
by joao inthe worst part of my experience of getting rid of the shackles of wt is not the shunning.
i can live with that.
if people don't want to talk to me, there are many more who do!
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@ Joao
Am I right in thinking you left the organization but still are a man of faith?
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Employee "Preaching " to other employees.
by Foolednomore ini have hired a new employee, he is a good accountant.
has never experienced jw's but i have three employees who are.
one elder, two ms.. the new employee came to me an asked questions about jw's that the elder employee has been preaching to him.
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Invite him to this site if he still wants to learn about Witnesses?
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Have you seen this recent video
by Vanderhoven7 inthis video documentary is worth a look.. https://youtu.be/srqwnjrhh1w.
here is another one worth watching .
https://youtu.be/twtxblzlotg.
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Thank you for such a fine job doing what I should have done UTR.
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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@Slim
I don't believe that there is sufficient evidence to conclude without reasonable doubt that Trinitarian Christians in the second century conspired to remove the divine name from both the New Testament and the Septuagint....and that they were completely successful in their NT manuscript alterations and partially successful when it came to their efforts to excise the divine name from the Septuagint.
Further I don't see how the inclusion of the divine name 237 times on the New Testament would challenge the full deity of Christ...unless of course one uses these alleged conspiracies to demonstrate the unreliability of the New Testament itself. Then of course we can readily argue for Bultmann's "historical Jesus".
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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@ SlimRegarding the issue of whether the Septuagint contained the divine name you wrote:Can we quit talking about shadowy conspiracies? That is empty rhetoric. The fact is that the divine name was in the Septuagint in the first century but Christians replaced it with “Lord"...If Christians planned and removed the divine name from the New Testament and did the same to the Septuagint; this was obviously done by conspiracy.But you know I don't believe in either of these conspiracies."...we know happened with Septuagint."Do We? Some feel that the presence of the Tetragrammaton in Papyrus Fouad 266 is an indication of what was in the original text, "others see this manuscript as "an archaizing and hebraizing revision of the earlier translation κύριος".You might want to check out -
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Have you seen this recent video
by Vanderhoven7 inthis video documentary is worth a look.. https://youtu.be/srqwnjrhh1w.
here is another one worth watching .
https://youtu.be/twtxblzlotg.
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Vanderhoven7
This video documentary is worth a look.
Here is another one worth watching
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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Riley: Thanks for sharing, " Is Jesus the name of God?
Sanchy: Exactly!
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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GB
Do you believe Jesus made God's name known by incessantly repeating the correct syllables thereof? The Tetragrammaton was already known and appeared close to 7000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. Or did Jesus manifest God's name by revealing His character, His nature, His intentions, His love, .i.e., His true identity.... by His words and works of love and grace. Jesus manifested His person, not by repeating Yahovah, Yahweh or Yaho a hundred times a day so that people would be sure to pronounce the name correctly.
What further evidence do you need to see that pronouncing the correct syllables of God's name is unimportant. The fact that you do not see the divine name on the lips of Jesus or His apostles once in the reliable New Testament should make that clear.
Jesus revealed God's intent or desire for intimacy with us, not syllables. His desire is that His children know Him as Father, not Jehovah, Yahweh or Yaho..... or you would find the name of Yaho 7000 times in the New Testament as well.
I like the following quotation that I recently picked up.
"The name which Jesus manifested - that is to say, manifested as that not yet manifested before His advent - cannot be those names that were known already in the Old Testament - Yahve, Adonai, El etc. - but this name newly and uniquely manifested is the "Father".
Jesus uniquely and unprecedentedly in history invested humans with authority to become God's children (John 1:12), and thus to have God as Father. More precisely, He is the unique and only Revelator of God whom nobody has seen (John 1:18), and whom nobody can either access without Him (John 14:16) or know without Him (Matthew 11:27); while He Himself knows the Father as He is known by the Latter (John 1:15), thus is equal to Him; in virtue of this equality, He is the only natural and co-eternal Son of the Father, the Latter's co-Creator of the universe. And this natural Son authorises also humans to participate in His and the Father's eternal the divine life, by making them His brothers and sisters by adoption (John 20:17).
Thus, the new name of God, the "Father", denotes a new ontological condition of humanity with reference to its creator God, a new and unprecedented degree of intimacy of humanity with God, for by now, through authorization of the Son, humans also get access to divine life by becoming partakers of it to the fullest possible way; exactly this intimate partaking of divine life is called sonship, and exactly by virtue of this God is revealed as the "Father" of such "sons" and "daughters"