obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
@ DJW
Vanderhoven7, are you a preterist? Do you believe Jesus made his second coming in 70 CE and that he thus will not come in the future? Do you believe a rapture of anointed Christians took place in 70 CE?
Nope. I am a partial preterist. Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 deal with 2 separate events
a.The destruction of Jerusalem (Mt.24:`1-35)
b.The second coming or parousia of Christ (Mt 24:36-51)
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
@Fisherman
".... since no sign would given to that evil generation, this generation at the olivette refers to his disciples who were given the sign: “
The composite sign so called were simply events that would preceed the real sign of Jerusalem's impending destruction. The real sign of Jerusalem's end was the Abomination of desolation which referred to the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem. It was the sign to flee the city and surrounding areas to the mountains. Those who tarried either lost their lives or were deported to surrounding nations.
There were no signs given believers to preceed the Parousia. "At a time ye think not, the Son of Man cometh." The timing of Christ's return is still unknown and that is why we are to be ready, waiting and watching at all times.
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
@Fisherman
There is not one scripture to support 1914 or overlapping anointed.
It seems that scriptural usage means nothing to you. Nowhere is generation overlap presented or explained by the gospel writers. In all 4 gospels, "this generation" refers consistently to Christ's own evil generation.
Do you think people who don't believe in 1914 can be saved?
If, they cannot be saved, when did it first become necessary for salvation/justification to believe in 1914 as the start of the invisible presence?
Repentance and faith in Christ and His work are required for salvation, but I don't see believing in dates or in men as a requirement.
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
@ Fisherman
The Greek word “genea” (pronounced ghen-eh-ah') appears thirteen times in Matthew's gospel. Four times it is used to delineate “one set of parents to the next”. Ignoring Matthew 24:34 for the moment, in every other appearance, including 6 of the instances Matthew places the definite article “this” (houtos) before “generation”, “this generation” (houtos genea), in context, clearly cover the same group of people -i.e. “Christ's unbelieving contemporaries”
obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
@ Fisherman
Obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
Perhaps there is some hope for you.
The great tribulation will “shortly” hit any day now just as wt has been saying all along
The WTS has been saying this for 130 years... often encouraging people not to have children or go to college.
and since it will happen before the new generation of “anointed” passes away, this would prove
that the latest generation definition of inter-lapping anointed is right on the money.
Every time Jesus spoke of "this generation", he was referring to the wicked and unbelieving, never the anointed.
No other definition of generation is possible to fulfill the prophecy: “This generation will by no means pass away..” —Which according to wt is based on passing away with relation to the year 1914.
1914 was and still is bogus and absolutely spurious to scripture. It has nothing to do with faith in Christ or God's approval...and yet the WTS will refuse Christian baptism to anyone who does not believe in the 1914 invisible presence doctrine.
Nowhere in the gospels is it even hinted at that a generation overlaps. The WT must make up this concept to fit their 1914 narrative.
The question is... how "generation" and specifically, "this generation" is used in the New Testament?
i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
Jesus is coming for his saints I Thes. 4
Later Jesus will come with His saints. Jude 14-15
The dead will be raised and the judgment of the nations begins.
And my take is that many of the inventions of man and his creative works including artistic creations will be preserved and used. Nothing beautiful will be lost. Wishful thinking... perhaps.
i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
@BoogerMan,
I agree that there will be a new heaven and a new or renewed earth. As I see it, the new heaven will descend to earth...probably at the close of the millennium when all the nations are subdued to the Son and His church and the wicked destroyed.
The distinction is that church will then dwell within the new heavenly city and temple, whereas the nations on the renewed earth....so heaven on earth will be the new reality.
i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
Re. The General Resurrection
This obviously occurs sometime after the first resurrection and will include all mankind.... and your neighbor that lives across the street. The purpose of this resurrection will to judge those who died in their sins according to their works, including every idle word spoken. Judgement will be according to works and knowledge.
I see this as occurring during the millennial reign of Christ. And I have a hope toward God that the power of the cross will extend into the millennium and that many who did not hear the gospel or even the name of Jesus will hear it and be able to respond as we did in life.
Those of the first resurrection will be tasked with ruling over these resurrected people's or nations with strong correction, until Christ's rule is fully established on the earth.
To tell you the truth, I don't see how this all fits together...but I do believe that in the end God/Christ will be the big winner and the devil the big loser. Death will be cast onto the lake of fire and will be no more. And the nations will flow to God's holy city and temple and God will be all in all.
Sounds like a fairy story.... yes, but even better.
i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
Re. Christians and the first resurrection
The only thing I can say with assurance, biblically speaking, is that the next conscious moment after death, Christians will see Jesus Christ.
Now some believe that that first conscious moment will occur immediately at death, others believe it will be at the second coming (parousia) of our Lord, where Christians are raised immortal in the twinkle of an eye.
So what's the difference?
Just about nil.
Certainly nothing to separate Christians from fellowship.
is there any new music or singers whatsoever nowadays or just junk?
and how about movies, besides documentaries is there anything at all, any movie at all, any new actor at all that that has any real worth to watch and enjoy or is it all a boring waste of time.
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Give me the Platters, the Righteous Brothers, Simon and Garfunkel and Roy Orbison. I mean, can you beat " Only You, Unchained Melody, The Sound of Silence, Bridge over Troubled Waters and Crying. Modern secular music I can't enjoy.
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What do you think of Lucy Thomas?
